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Agia Sophia #409171 10/30/14 03:56 AM
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Agia Sophia - night view
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Re: Agia Sophia [Re: Marian] #409174 10/30/14 10:25 AM
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"By the waters of Babylon we wept, when we remembered Zion...."

Re: Agia Sophia [Re: Marian] #409203 11/03/14 08:54 AM
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дійсно / truly!

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Re: Agia Sophia [Re: Garajotsi] #409208 11/03/14 10:47 PM
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Noticeable are the minarets on the sides of Aghia Sophia . . .

Just wondering out loud - should Aghia Sophia ever return to Orthodox Christian hands, do the minarets have to come down or could they be "re-purposed?"

Also, there are miraculous pillars inside our Mother Church of Holy Wisdom which weep tears - does anyone have further info on that?

Alex

Re: Agia Sophia [Re: Marian] #409217 11/04/14 04:33 PM
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Re-purposed minarets...The steeple of the Marian House of Studies at Catholic Univ. in D.C. is made from a minaret, though merely a decorative one. It is too small for anyone to have fit in it.

Re: Agia Sophia [Re: Marian] #409235 11/06/14 01:52 PM
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Take them down and ship them somewhere else as a sign of goodwill?

Re: Agia Sophia [Re: Orthodox Catholic] #409261 11/08/14 08:58 PM
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I changed my mind: They should be left there as a symbol of Peace - HOWEVER, the round signs with Arabic language inside should be removed so that the frescos they intend to hide can be exposed and the church restored fully and completely to its original appearance and frescos behind these signs restored if any damage was done. This place - should the Roman (Catholic) Church and the Orthodox Church unite - should become the seat of the new 'High Cardinal of Constantinople' (in Istanbul) - someone chosen among the Orthodox Church - such as Patriarch Bartholomew I who would lead the former Orthodox within the new united Church.

Below (at the bottom here) I copied an article which has appeared today in Yahoo News... - I could no longer find the link so I copied the text here for you... If someone can find the link, it would be so nice as my intent here is not to violate any copyright... - yet, I do not know how long this post will be up on the Internet. . . The most important part is at the very bottom where Pope Francis I and Patriarch Bartholomew I, leader of the Orthodox Church in Istanbul, 'participated in an ecumenical liturgy and signed a joint declaration in the ongoing attempt to reunite the churches.' I pray this day of re-unification shall come when the major branches of Christianity unite! I pray Our Lord to grant that I see this in my own lifetime!

The article:

Title:
Pope prays in Turkey mosque in new gesture of Muslim outreach
By Nicole Winfield And Suzan Fraser, The Associated Press | The Canadian Press
Date: November 29, 2014

Getty Images/Getty Images - ISTANBUL, TURKEY - NOVEMBER 29: Pope Francis shakes hands with Mufti of Istanbul, Rahmi Yaran (R) as he leaves the Sultan Ahmet mosque, popularly known as the Blue Mosque, on November …more
ISTANBUL - His head bowed and hands clasped in front of him, Pope Francis stood Saturday for two minutes of silent prayer facing east inside one of Istanbul's most important mosques, as he shifted gears toward more religious affairs on the second leg of his three-day visit to mainly Muslim Turkey.

Following in the footsteps of Pope Benedict XVI who visited Turkey in 2006, Francis prayed alongside the Grand Mufti of Istanbul, Rahmi Yaran, who had his palms turned toward the sky in a Muslim prayer, inside the 17th-century Sultan Ahmet mosque.

"May God accept it," Yaran told the pope at the conclusion of a poignant moment of Christian-Muslim understanding.

The Vatican spokesman, Rev. Federico Lombardi called it a moment of "silent adoration." Lombardi, who was standing behind the pope, said Francis told the mufti two times that we must "adore" God and not just praise and glorify him.

It was a remarkably different atmosphere from Francis' first day in Turkey, when the simple and frugal pope was visibly uncomfortable with the pomp and protocol required of him for the state visit part of his trip. With President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's mega-palace, honour guard and horseback escort now behind him, Francis got down to the business of being pope, showing respect to Muslim leaders, greeting Istanbul's tiny Catholic community and later meeting with the spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians.

Francis nodded, smiled and looked up in awe as Yaran gave him a tour of the Blue Mosque, famed for its elaborate blue tiles and cascading domes. Francis listened intently through an interpreter as Yaran explained verses of the Muslim holy book.

Presenting the pope with a blue, tulip-designed tile, Yaran said he prayed to God that his visit would "contribute to the world getting along well and living in peace."

"We are in need of prayers. The world really needs prayers," Yaran said.

Benedict had visited Turkey amid heightened Christian-Muslim tensions and prayed at the mosque in a gesture of respect for Islam that was appreciated by many Turks. The Vatican added the stop at the Blue Mosque at the last minute to show Benedict's respect for Muslims.

The Vatican also acted to avoid offence to its Muslim hosts by moving up Francis' visit to the mosque so it wouldn't coincide with noon prayers.

After he left, Francis walked a short distance — greeting crowds for the first time in his visit — to tour the nearby Haghia Sofia, which was the main Byzantine church in Constantinople — present-day Istanbul — before being turned into a mosque following the Muslim conquest of the city in 1453. The Haghia Sophia is now a museum, although some Islamic groups want it to be converted back into a mosque.

Pope Paul VI, who made the first-ever papal visit to Turkey in 1967, fell to his knees in prayer inside Haghia Sophia, triggering protests by Turks who claimed Paul had violated the secular nature of the domed complex. Francis avoided any religious actions inside.

Halfway through his tour, the Muslim call for prayer echoed off the Haghia Sophia's marble walls, an evocative moment that symbolized the crossroads of East and West that Istanbul represents.

Museum director Hayrullah Cengiz pointed to a niche with a Byzantine fresco of the Virgin Mary holding an infant Jesus, saying it was his favourite corner because the area also features Arabic writings of the names of the Prophet Mohammed and Allah.

"They are all together," Cengiz said.

A few dozen well-wishers outside Haghia Sophia waved a combination of the Turkish and the flag of the Holy See. One carried a banner that read: "You are Peter."

Francis nearly tripped over while walking the carpet from his plane to a VIP terminal at Istanbul's Ataturk Airport. The governor of Istanbul and Patriarch Bartholomew I, the spiritual leader of Orthodox Christians, helped the pontiff as he tottered.

Later on Saturday, Francis will meet with Bartholomew — the real reason for his visit to Turkey.

The two major branches of Christianity represented by Bartholomew and Francis split in 1054 over differences on the power of the papacy. The two spiritual heads will participate in an ecumenical liturgy and sign a joint declaration in the ongoing attempt to reunite the churches.

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Suzan Fraser reported from Ankara, Turkey.

(An earlier version had misspelt the name of the Grand Mufti)


A QUESTION FROM ME:

Where did you find that the pillars inside weep? I sure would be interested to know more. . .

Thank you!

Last edited by Tryzub Rurikid; 11/29/14 08:23 PM. Reason: Changed my mind on this issue... - working for Peace and using this as a symbol of Peace is far better and is more in tune with my own views.
Re: Agia Sophia [Re: Marian] #409646 11/28/14 12:55 PM
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Beautiful picture Marion!

Re: Agia Sophia [Re: Marian] #409656 11/29/14 08:56 AM
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Hi I'm Thomas, or as I have been passed on a chosen as Didymus Judas Thomas( Twin brother of Jesus.) So the Assyrians would call me. Mysteries happen everywhere I mean it is a blessing that the Lord passed on his spirit into another to complete his work as he already done his time here. I'm in need of some answers fast please PM me. thank you. Please. If you take the time to know who I am then you will also see proof if faith is not believing without seeing.

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