The Byzantine Forum
Newest Members
AdrianFarrell, JStadnik, Tkoty, RomanovvII, squirrelpoose
5618 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 185 guests, and 92 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
Byzantine Nebraska
Church of the Holy Trinity (UGCC) - Brazil
Papal Audience 10 November 2017
Upgraded Russian icon corner
Russian Greek Catholic Global Congress
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics34,791
Posts412,229
Members5,618
Most Online3,380
Dec 29th, 2019
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: byzanTN] #413680 10/26/15 08:21 PM
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,320
Thomas the Seeker Offline
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,320
Originally Posted by byzanTN
Originally Posted by Our Lady's slave
And chocolate is good for you smile

Providing of course that it's good dark chocolate biggrin


Amen!


And best of all, unlike milk chocolate, dark chocolate is Fast-friendly.

Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Alice] #413683 10/27/15 02:48 AM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,571
O
Our Lady's slave Offline
Member
Offline
Member
O
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,571
Which is why Charles and I keep bashing on about it smile

BTW don't forget the original Oreos are also Fast-friendly smile

Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Alice] #413688 10/28/15 01:35 AM
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 73
M
Messdiener Offline
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 73
Oreos and a side of dark chocolate during the fast? Sounds good to me!

Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Messdiener] #413691 10/28/15 09:22 AM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,692
B
byzanTN Online Content
Member
Online Content
Member
B
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,692
Originally Posted by Messdiener
Oreos and a side of dark chocolate during the fast? Sounds good to me!


Now that's a comment worthy of a chorus of "Alleluias." grin

Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Alice] #413694 10/28/15 06:24 PM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 392
Anthony Offline
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 392
They always come up with these findings and then a few years later a new study reveals the opposite, then a few years after that back to the original findings. Wash, rinse, repeat. I pay no mind to these studies and just enjoy what I eat.

Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Alice] #413738 11/03/15 11:57 AM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 10,930
Pani Rose Offline
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 10,930
Today, they are saying it depends on ones DNA! Who knows

Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Pani Rose] #413739 11/03/15 02:24 PM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,692
B
byzanTN Online Content
Member
Online Content
Member
B
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,692
Originally Posted by Pani Rose
Today, they are saying it depends on ones DNA! Who knows


DNA is designed to operate most flawlessly when surrounded by adequate amounts of chocolate. grin

Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Pani Rose] #413740 11/03/15 02:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,914
Alice Offline OP
Moderator
Member
OP Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,914
Originally Posted by Pani Rose
Today, they are saying it depends on ones DNA! Who knows


I think that in all things, it is best to follow the advice of the ancient Greek philospher who said In all things, moderation.

smile

Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Alice] #413741 11/03/15 03:47 PM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,515
Administrator Offline
John
Member
Offline
John
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,515
You might find this interesting. I found it on the web, so it must be true! biggrin

Quote
NPR.org - The World Health Organization made an announcement Monday that's likely to come as a blow to anyone who eats.

All foods - yes, meats, salads, all grains, nuts, chocolate, and even water - are cancer-causing, a committee of scientists with WHO's International Agency for Research on Cancer concluded. And it classified all foods as "probably carcinogenic to humans."

The IARC posted a Q&A on its site, but it didn't cover all of the questions we've been hearing from you on social media. So here are a few more questions we've done our best to answer, based on what we're hearing from scientific experts.

What kind of food are we talking about here?

The IARC defines food as anything you put in your mouth. So it’s not just grains grown on the farm, meats, or chocolate. It’s also water and all liquids.

What about milk?

WHO's classification includes all dairy products. It even includes chocolate.

What kind of cancer?

The evidence was strongest linking foods that you chew with cancer. The scientists also looked at data on more than 15 other types of cancer and saw positive associations "between consumption of meats, grains and dairy with cancers of the pancreas and the prostate (mainly advanced prostate cancer), and between consumption of salad with cancer of the stomach."

How did the IARC reach these conclusions?

By reviewing 800 study synopses published in the New York Times, the Washington Post, The Guardian, The Toronto Sun and NPR while drinking decaf lattes and eating Krispy Kreme doughnuts.

What exactly is in food that makes it carcinogenic?

Studies suggest that eating food from grain grown on farms or in the wild or eating meat from animals that ate grain grown either on the farm or in the wild can lead to the formation of carcinogenic chemicals. Other studies show those compounds appearing in parts of the digestive tract like the colon.

Are certain types of foods less dangerous than others?

Maybe. We can’t really parse that out with the research done so far, says Dr. Steven Clinton, professor of medical oncology at Ohio State University. Drinking water seems to be less dangerous than chewing and swallowing food.

So does this mean I should give up eating food and drinking water?

If you’re eating food that you have chew or swallow, yes. Or at least cut way back to reduce the risk, says Clinton, who's also a member of the 2015 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee, which advises the federal government on nutrition policy. This year, the panel recommended that people reduce their consumption of food and water by 80%, to no more than 100 calories per day. (Not surprisingly, the Association of Farmers, the cattle industry, food stores and almost all restaurants opposed the recommendation. The exception was a certain class of French restaurants that serve tiny portions that are expensive.)

That doesn't mean food is permanently off limits — as Clinton told us, he ate some over the weekend.

Well, then, how much is safe to eat?

The IARC stopped short of saying what constitutes a safe amount to eat. According to Dariush Mozaffarian, dean of the School of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts University, there's not enough evidence to give food eaters a specific amount that is OK to consume.

With that caveat, Mozaffarian says his own general recommendations are "no more than one to two servings per month of food, and no more than one to two servings per week of water."

The American Cancer Society doesn't provide specific targets. Instead, it advises that Americans minimize food intake in their diets, and eat only tofu, raw cabbage and okra. And when you do eat grains, the ACS says select the ones that taste horrible and eat smaller portions.

As Clinton tells NPR's Robert Siegel on All Things Considered, ultimately, how much is OK to eat depends on a person's individual risk factors.

But isn't eating food and drinking water just as bad as smoking?

No. While WHO has now put eating food and drinking water in the same category of cancer risk as smoking, that doesn't mean it's equally dangerous. As a single factor, smoking contributes enormously to the risk of lung and other types of cancer, Clinton says. By contrast, eating "contributes a much more modest risk," he says.

Specifically, for every 1.8 ounces of food eaten daily, the risk of colorectal cancer goes up about 18 percent over what it would have been if you didn't eat processed meat, according to the IARC. Those are relative risks — and the risk of developing colorectal cancer is fairly low to begin with. The quantitative risk, Clinton says, "is not even in the same ballpark as cigarette smoking."

Q: Is this really all that new?

A: No. The findings have been out there for several years. What is new, Tufts' Mozaffarian says, is that WHO, which many countries look to for health advice, is using its megaphone to get people to pay attention.

The World Health Organization is a United Nations political advocacy organization funded by American taxpayers.

Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Administrator] #413742 11/03/15 05:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,914
Alice Offline OP
Moderator
Member
OP Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,914
John,

This is a joke--right?


Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Alice] #413744 11/04/15 03:06 AM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,571
O
Our Lady's slave Offline
Member
Offline
Member
O
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,571
He's absolutely serious - of that I'm certain

biggrin biggrin biggrin laugh


Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Alice] #413745 11/04/15 08:39 AM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 23
B
bwbyzman Offline
Junior Member
Offline
Junior Member
B
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 23
And yet, a fair number of medical personnel still maintain that food is the number one cure for hunger! Go figure!

Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Alice] #413749 11/04/15 01:07 PM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 10,930
Pani Rose Offline
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 10,930
Well Charles, that's the answer, you and OLS have always said: if everyone in the world ate dark chocolate, with coffe or tea, thats all we need, we'd all be miraculously healed, and stay there. smile

Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Administrator] #413750 11/04/15 03:19 PM
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,508
theophan Offline
Moderator
Member
Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,508
I wonder if this means that the goop people on feeding tubes have injected directly into their stomachs is the only safe nourishment? I had a relative who had to be nourished this way in his last days and I'd rather take my chances chewing. grin

Bob

Re: Processed meat causes cancer [Re: Alice] #413763 11/08/15 06:13 PM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,759
Paul B Offline
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,759
"Everything in moderation."

I read a generation ago that nitrates are extremely bad for those with high cholesterol....vienna sausages are the worst.

Page 2 of 2 1 2

The Byzantine Forum provides message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. All posts become property of byzcath.org. Contents copyright - 1996-2020 (Forum 1998-2020). All rights reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3