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Re: Close lips around eucharistic spoon? [Re: Slavipodvizhnik] #375836 02/15/12 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Slavipodvizhnik
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"When done correctly, the spoon should not come in contact with your mouth, and thus there should be no personal health concerns."

That said, similarly to the experience of other posters, I have seen many faithful close their mouth when receiving in Divine Liturgies celebrated in our sister churches overseas. I have no idea why that might be the case.


The mere idea of "personal health concerns" in regards to the Blood and Body of Christ is repugnant to the point of being heretical.


BTW - more often than not, the concern is expressed by guests, not our own faithful. And most often by Latin Catholics, as I have both heard directly and been told by some of our pastors. Not to disparage our Latin Catholic brothers and sisters, but it is interesting to think that some who are likely accustomed to first placing the Blessed Host in their own hand would think such of our Eastern practice.

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Re: Close lips around eucharistic spoon? [Re: Curious Joe] #375837 02/15/12 09:38 PM
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Also, some context - I'm currently on Long Island, where only last year there was a well-publicized "scare", when over 100 parishioners of an RC parish in Nassau County were suspected of contracting Hepatitis A after receiving Holy Communion on Christmas Day 2010.

One only needs to do a simple Google search to find dozens of articles and even full websites devoted to the subject.

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Originally Posted by Curious Joe
Also, some context - I'm currently on Long Island, where only last year there was a well-publicized "scare", when over 100 parishioners of an RC parish in Nassau County were suspected of contracting Hepatitis A after receiving Holy Communion on Christmas Day 2010.

One only needs to do a simple Google search to find dozens of articles and even full websites devoted to the subject.


I did google the incident. None of the several articles that I read states that more than 100 parishioners were suspected of contracting Hepatitis A. They stated that parishioners "may have been exposed to the virus", which was apparently a concern of Health Department officials, not necessarily the faithful. They urged the more than 1300 people attending Mass on Christmas Day to be vaccinated. Apparently, one person who had touched hosts on both Christmas Eve and Christmas Day later was diagnosed with Hepatitis A. More fear mongering, if you ask me. At least one year, our local Latin Bishop gave directive that Communion was not to be given on the tongue during flu season. I don't think the current Bishop has continued that policy. I think it is so sad.

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Re: Close lips around eucharistic spoon? [Re: Slavipodvizhnik] #375839 02/15/12 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Slavipodvizhnik
Originally Posted by Curious Joe


"When done correctly, the spoon should not come in contact with your mouth, and thus there should be no personal health concerns."

That said, similarly to the experience of other posters, I have seen many faithful close their mouth when receiving in Divine Liturgies celebrated in our sister churches overseas. I have no idea why that might be the case.


The mere idea of "personal health concerns" in regards to the Blood and Body of Christ is repugnant to the point of being heretical.


The concern is not with the Body and Blood of Christ but with the cup, spoon, or hand used to distribute. I myself don't worry about it but I understand those who do.


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Re: Close lips around eucharistic spoon? [Re: Dave in McKinney] #375840 02/15/12 11:21 PM
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Hence both priests and prelates must employ some shift in time of a plague to enable them to administer communion to the sick without violating this Canon; not, however, by placing the Holy Bread in currants, but in some sacred vessel, so that the dying and the sick may take it thence with tongs or the like. The vessel and the tongs are to be placed in vinegar, and the vinegar is to be poured into a funnel, or in any other manner that they can that is safer and canonical.


What is the source of such controversial notions?

It is a footnote in the Rudder on Canon 28 of the 102 Canons of the 6th Ecumenical Council. The footnotes are the work of St. Nikodemos of the Holy Mountain.

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Re: Close lips around eucharistic spoon? [Re: Fr. Deacon Lance] #375841 02/15/12 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Fr. Deacon Lance

The concern is not with the Body and Blood of Christ but with the cup, spoon, or hand used to distribute. I myself don't worry about it but I understand those who do.


Exactly. I remember the priest at a church we visited letting the spoon wack against the inside of my mouth, and feeling a bit odd about it. It certainly didn't ruin anything, and I probably exposed myself to more germs 10 other ways later in the day, but still.

Re: Close lips around eucharistic spoon? [Re: Dave in McKinney] #375842 02/16/12 12:05 AM
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Sorry, but anyone who thinks they could become ill by receiving the Holy Gifts is unworthy to receive them.

Re: Close lips around eucharistic spoon? [Re: Dave in McKinney] #375843 02/16/12 12:08 AM
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If indeed the Rusyns and Ukies have developed a method of reception in America as distinct from the method of European counterparts, it's a little rich to blame any squeamishness on visiting Latins.

Re: Close lips around eucharistic spoon? [Re: Slavipodvizhnik] #375844 02/16/12 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Slavipodvizhnik
Sorry, but anyone who thinks they could become ill by receiving the Holy Gifts is unworthy to receive them.


I tend to agree. I finally quit my Latin parish when my bishop forbid any reception but in the hand during a flu outbreak.

Re: Close lips around eucharistic spoon? [Re: sielos ilgesys] #416651 01/15/17 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sielos ilgesys
I know a Gk. Cath. priest here in N. America who detests the practice of closing lips around the spoon, so if someone does it, he always "clacks" the spoon against their teeth. Can't say I recommend his way of handling it...


I know this an old post, but my priest does this to me all the time! I don't know why, but I can never keep my mouth open, so I always close. He gets kind of flustered and clacks it against my teeth.


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It is very troubling to see men and women refusing to drink from the chalice in the Roman / Latin Rite churches. They receive the Host yet walk right by the chalice. When asked, the usual answer is that it is unsanitary. How ridiculous So in other words Jesus Christ in the Real Presence is loaded with germs and bacteria?

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There are more germs on pew books or hymnals than on the spoon or lip of the chalice. I always kiss the chalice after receiving from the spoon in the byzantine Churches I attend.
Receiving on the tongue is unsanitary, not because of the body of Christ, but because the priest often touches the tongue with his hand when he does this in a Roman Catholic mass
Unless you eat of the body of our Lord Jesus Christ and DRINK his blood you shall not have life everlasting.

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