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#416689 - 01/28/17 08:24 AM Two Lungs  
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On a recent Facebook group post it was stated that the two lungs of the Church are the Catholics and Orthodox. I had always heard that they were two lungs of the Catholic Church, Roman and Byzantine. What is the general consensus?

#416690 - 01/28/17 09:36 AM Re: Two Lungs [Re: Dr. Henry P.]  
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The image used by Pope John Paul II was taken from Cardinal Henri de Lubac who, himself, derived the image from the Russian poet-theologian Vyacheslav Ivanov: it refers to the Eastern and western patrimony within the undivided Church. Actually, I prefer the whimsical thought of Dr. Sebastian Brock who regrets that the body only has two lungs, whereas the Body of Christ needs to breathe with three: the Latin Western, the Greek Western, and the Syriac Eastern (this, of course, includes the Copts, Ethiopians and Armenians)!

#416693 - 01/30/17 10:00 AM Re: Two Lungs [Re: Economos Roman V. Russo]  
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Here, here, Father Romanos! Agreed. I am reminded of a quote in the first chapter of Met. Kallistos's The Orthodox Church: "Christianity, while universal in its mission, has been associated in practice with three cultures: Semitic (Syriac), Greek and Latin" [my emphasis added].

#416695 - 01/31/17 06:12 AM Re: Two Lungs [Re: OpusRay]  
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"Late have I loved thee". I came to Syriac only in my late sixties but cherish it more than my beloved Latin, Greek and Church Slavonic. Above all I am daily immersed in the theological poetry of Mar Ephrem, Mar Jacob of Serug and Mar Isaac of Nineveh. It is wonderful to drown in such crystalline, life-giving waters!

#416696 - 01/31/17 01:38 PM Re: Two Lungs [Re: Economos Roman V. Russo]  
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Originally Posted by Economos Roman V. Russo
"Late have I loved thee". I came to Syriac only in my late sixties but cherish it more than my beloved Latin, Greek and Church Slavonic. Above all I am daily immersed in the theological poetry of Mar Ephrem, Mar Jacob of Serug and Mar Isaac of Nineveh. It is wonderful to drown in such crystalline, life-giving waters!


Amen!
Jova, who God plucked out of the Roman fold and deposited tenderly within the Maronite fold. Whose troubled soul is healing.

#416698 - 02/02/17 09:57 PM Re: Two Lungs [Re: Economos Roman V. Russo]  
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In the past year, I also have come to a great appreciation of the treasures of Syriac spirituality and so have often found myself at the local Maronite church (which is probably the most accessible of the Syriac churches for the average western Christian). I am blessed to be able to get my hands on the thaksa (comparable to the Missal or Euchologion) of the Syro-Malankara Catholic Church soon through some friends in that church.

#416714 - 02/11/17 11:25 AM Re: Two Lungs [Re: Dr. Henry P.]  
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The deposit of faith is heavy, but am blessed to be able to swim within its waters of what has been handed down: Ephrem the Syrian, Isaac of Nineveh, St. Nikolai Velimirovich of Serbia, and various saints of yore.


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