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Re: Eastern Catholics and Recent Correction of Pope Francis [Re: SwanOfEndlessTales] #417574
10/19/17 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SwanOfEndlessTales
"Why aren't more Eastern Catholics risking their positions to sign a statement in favor of medieval Latin marriage discipline?"

Who are you quoting?

Re: Eastern Catholics and Recent Correction of Pope Francis [Re: TonyM] #417585
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That most Byzantine Catholics, for example, are closeted Eastern Orthodox, dissenting from the church on divorce and remarriage, for example, is a myth about them. Life at my part-time parish is easygoing and yes, parochial with little or no political culture-wars stuff, just like a Slavic-American Orthodox parish, but here at least implicitly they accept the teachings of the church; nobody attacks those. Understandable as a few of these families went through much, including exile in another country with another language, to remain Catholic.

Some theories: there aren't that many Eastern Catholics to sign, so the few who would are a drop in the bucket, and historically having been walked all over in church politics (such as the battle over celibacy in 1930s America), these churchmen like to keep a low profile.

Re: Eastern Catholics and Recent Correction of Pope Francis [Re: The young fogey] #417625
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Originally Posted by The young fogey
That most Byzantine Catholics, for example, are closeted Eastern Orthodox, dissenting from the church on divorce and remarriage, for example, is a myth about them. Life at my part-time parish is easygoing and yes, parochial with little or no political culture-wars stuff, just like a Slavic-American Orthodox parish, but here at least implicitly they accept the teachings of the church; nobody attacks those. Understandable as a few of these families went through much, including exile in another country with another language, to remain Catholic.

Some theories: there aren't that many Eastern Catholics to sign, so the few who would are a drop in the bucket, and historically having been walked all over in church politics (such as the battle over celibacy in 1930s America), these churchmen like to keep a low profile.

Makes a lot of sense to me!

Re: Eastern Catholics and Recent Correction of Pope Francis [Re: TonyM] #417656
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Living in a constituent particular Church within the communion of the Catholic Church does not mean I have to understand or agree with the peculiar way another particular constituent Church arrives at,formulates or liturgizes marriage. After all, do we imposes the Greek tradition of theology upon the Syriac or Roman traditions of the Church? If, for example, vows are seen as necessary for marriage then we have a heck of a lot of Catholics who went through "a nice ceremony with crowns" but who aren't married since the Melkite crowning (for example) has no vows. Or how about the strange notion (at least from an Eastern theological perspective) that a couple themselves are "the ministers of marriage." A very strange notion from our Byzantine theological tradition where the epiclesis is understood to be the essential element. Yet, as different as our theological understandings are, we are nonetheless members of Churches in the communion of the Catholic Church. Our Catholic communion is a lived commitment to unity in Christ that is not meant to be mere conformity to Latin dormulations based upon a Latin traditon. The Western penchant for uniformity is, at best, a peculiarity of the Roman tradition that may have served her well but is a bit alien to the middle-eastern and semitic mindset in which Christianity was first planted and grew,

Re: Eastern Catholics and Recent Correction of Pope Francis [Re: Protopappas76] #417658
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Originally Posted by Protopappas76
Living in a constituent particular Church within the communion of the Catholic Church does not mean I have to understand or agree with the peculiar way another particular constituent Church arrives at,formulates or liturgizes marriage. After all, do we imposes the Greek tradition of theology upon the Syriac or Roman traditions of the Church? If, for example, vows are seen as necessary for marriage then we have a heck of a lot of Catholics who went through "a nice ceremony with crowns" but who aren't married since the Melkite crowning (for example) has no vows. Or how about the strange notion (at least from an Eastern theological perspective) that a couple themselves are "the ministers of marriage." A very strange notion from our Byzantine theological tradition where the epiclesis is understood to be the essential element. Yet, as different as our theological understandings are, we are nonetheless members of Churches in the communion of the Catholic Church. Our Catholic communion is a lived commitment to unity in Christ that is not meant to be mere conformity to Latin dormulations based upon a Latin traditon. The Western penchant for uniformity is, at best, a peculiarity of the Roman tradition that may have served her well but is a bit alien to the middle-eastern and semitic mindset in which Christianity was first planted and grew,


Thoughtfully and beautifully said. Thanks.

Re: Eastern Catholics and Recent Correction of Pope Francis [Re: Protopappas76] #417675
10/26/17 10:58 AM
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[quote][The Western penchant for uniformity is, at best, a peculiarity of the Roman tradition that may have served her well but is a bit alien/quote]

Father bless!!

Increasingly it is becoming alien in the Roman tradition. That may be why Pope Francis has, for example, changed the way translations will be made in the future: allowing national bishops conferences to approve translations which now must be sent to Rome for approval. There are things that need to be adjusted for particular countries--not doctrine, but the way the Faith is practiced/culturally assimilated.

Bob

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