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Re: Troparion of the Groundhog [Re: Our Lady's slave] #279337
02/19/08 01:17 PM
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It seems to me that the icon should be of St. Minimaximos with the Holy Groundhog Basil. I have seen other icons with animals (holy and/or otherwise) in them, but I don't think the canons would permit just the critter--however worthy he might be.

And, no, I am not interested in writing such an icon. I still have to finish St. John of San Francisco, and then I want to write St. Katherine, and then . . . (too many icons, too little time.)

Re: Troparion of the Groundhog [Re: Marina Karlovna] #279376
02/19/08 05:21 PM
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Marina, Sigh.I gather you're not in favor of petitioning for a canon change to allow the critter the spotlight. Surely we can come up with worthy reasons for sucha change. We must fight for what we believe in, we must not give up. I say...


oh, sorry...got a little carried away here.

Re: Troparion of the Groundhog [Re: Administrator] #417959
02/02/18 09:06 AM
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I had a request to re-post this. Happy Feast of the Holy Groundhog!

Originally Posted by Administrator
While snooping around a church's archive near Punxsutawney PA, I found this from a page that was ripped out of the menaion for February 2nd. In view that it is the feast day tomorrow, I am reprinting the missing page.

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February 2/15
Troparion of the Holy Ground Hog Basil - Tone 4


O holy ground hog, Basil,
Thou didst commence thy slumber after the feast of the Nativity.
And now on the fortieth day,
Thou doth awaken to predict for us the coming of spring.
For if thou wilt see thy shadow
Then thou wilt renew thy slumber for six more weeks.
But if the skies doth be full of gray or rain,
Thou wilt stay awake for the whole of the Fast;
And we will see an early spring.

At the Matins Service during the procession of the Great Doxology the ground hog, Basil, is carried around the church thrice, while the faithful sing this holy hymn. The service should be conducted so that "Glory to Thee Who hast shown us the light!" is announced precisely at sunrise, and the procession finisheth shortly thereafter in the out of doors under the sky.


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Re: Troparion of the Groundhog [Re: Administrator] #417961
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Perhaps I am "stuck" on the melodies of the Katavasias of the Presentation; but it seems to me that a "normal" (not special melody) Tone 3 would be a better fit, having the descending cadences occur on "feast of the Nativity" and "six more weeks", and the very lowest on "full of grey or rain".

Re: Troparion of the Groundhog [Re: Administrator] #417962
02/03/18 10:12 AM
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Hmmmm.... I don't have access to the original texts. I don't know if they were written in Greek, Church Slavonic or Pennsylvania English. Maybe that would account for it?

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Re: Troparion of the Groundhog [Re: Administrator] #417964
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Originally Posted by Administrator
Hmmmm.... Pennsylvania English.

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Ach, vat is das "Pennsylvania English" that has you behexed onest?

"Dutchified English" ve speak still and Pennsylwania Dutch ve are already, but "Pennsylvania English" katze drecht for certain is.

Re: Troparion of the Groundhog [Re: Thomas the Seeker] #417967
02/05/18 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Thomas the Seeker
... a "normal" (not special melody) Tone 3 would be a better fit, having the descending cadences occur on "feast of the Nativity" and "six more weeks", and the very lowest on "full of grey or rain".
Depends on whose Tone 3 or Tone 4 doesn't it?

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