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Acceptance of Eastern Orthodox saints #419425
09/02/19 04:46 AM
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How come I've seen some usage of EO Saints being posted on Melkite/byzantine catholic site? Like of the front of this site itself it quotes Fr. Seraphim Rose and calling Seraphim of Sarov a saint when he was EO and never canonized by Rome. How can Byzantines call schismatics saints, like Gregory Palamas and Photios?

Re: Acceptance of Eastern Orthodox saints [Re: Kyrie Eleison] #419429
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Kyrie Eleison:

Welcome to the forum. Please go to Town Hall and read the thread entitled "Who We Are." That may help you discern whether this is a good fit for your pilgrim journey.

The reason that we Catholics study and venerate Orthodox saints is because holiness knows no boundaries. The Holy Spirit blows where He wills and uses willing instruments to help Him in His work wherever He finds them. Rome has recognized some Orthodox saints in some cases so there is nothing for you to be upset about in this regard. Many of our members have personal devotion to saints who have lived their lives out of communion with the place they find themselves. They do this for their own reasons, but recognize the lived example of Christ-centeredness exhibited as something they can relate to. There are many examples. One man I have personally known--who has not yet been canonized by the Greek Orthodox Church--is a bishop I met in Pittsburgh in the mid-1970s. He was known for his humility and personal holiness throughout his life. When he was dying he was surrounded not only by members of his own Church, but also by many Catholic and other clergy. He was recognized across what divides us by the example of his life.

On the matter of where the Holy Spirit is moving, may I suggest you check out the threads about myrrh streaming icons that are currently streaming in Canada and in Pennsylvania, as well as other places. Then compare that to the statues of the Blessed Virgin Mary that are crying streams of the same scented oil. The Mother of God is trying to tell us all something here. And maybe it is urgent enough to pull out all the stops and get the message to as many receptive people and places as possible.

May I suggest that you step back and see what makes people open to those outside their own community. It may be an opportunity for growth.

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Re: Acceptance of Eastern Orthodox saints [Re: Kyrie Eleison] #419431
09/03/19 04:01 PM
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Welcome, KE, to the Forum!

That the Catholic Church has not officially recognized some Orthodox saints does not mean they are not saints. As Bob noted above, holiness knows no boundaries. And keep in mind that prior to modern times and the Vatican's centralization of the canonization process, the process was much more local.

You might check the archives. A quick search brought up a discussion from which had a quote from Saint Pope John Paul II in pointing out that in his book "Crossing the Threshold of Hope" he refers to "Saint Seraphim of Sarov".

John

Re: Acceptance of Eastern Orthodox saints [Re: Kyrie Eleison] #419445
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How can Byzantines call schismatics saints


Kyrie Eleison:

Christ is in our midst!!

I want to take one more stab at your inquiry. You refer to "schismatics" in your post. If you refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, you will find that only Catholics can become heretics or schismatics in the Church's understanding of these terms at this date. The Vatican Council teaches that the status of those who call themselves Christians but who are not in communion with the Catholic Church because of their birth can be called neither schismatics nor heretics because they are not at fault at not being in communion with the Catholic Church. In other words, only we Catholics who have been baptized and confirmed in communion with Rome can be labeled one or the other, if and when, we jump ship and join another Christian community.

There is another dimension to the Mystery of what communion means. Communion has many levels. It is our relationship with Christ via Eucharistic Communion; it is our relationship to one another in our community; it is our relationship to all those who have gone before us, beginning with the Apostles. It is also very much a reality among the other Churches of Apostolic origin with whom we are not currently sharing the Eucharist. HOWEVER, the Council teaches us that they do, indeed, have the same relationship with Christ that we do in the Eucharist. So how do we explain that? Christ cannot be divided; nor can the Holy Trinity. So at some level that we cannot now see or experience, we must be sharing something with all these people. So it seems to me that it is a rather harsh throwback to an earlier polemical age to use these terms in referring to our brethren with whom we do not now share the Eucharist but with whom we should be praying that the Holy Spirit will show us the way to that day when we can.

Bob

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