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Confusion about dissenters. #419481 09/25/19 06:43 PM
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Someone in my Melkite parish has publicly proclaimed several times that they are Melkite ProChoice, they are proud of it, and they will not be silenced.
They have done this via emails and comments on FB in response to a post about a Melkite ProLife effort in a different Eparchy. The pastor is aware of
all of this.

This person is still receiving the Holy Mystery of Holy Eucharist on an ongoing basis.

This confuses me. It is not the protocol I would have expected. Thoughts?

Re: Confusion about dissenters. [Re: AllCatholic] #419482 09/25/19 11:24 PM
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Christ is in our midst!

I would first address this to the priest privately. And if that does not clarify the issue, then it might be well to address this to the bishop.

Ultimately, the person receiving the Lord answers to Him at the moment of his death and on the Great Day. I have lots to answer for myself, but approaching the Lord when I am in serious and willful disagreement with what I should be believing and living when I do is something I really REALLY try not to be doing. I answer for me; you answer for you; he answers for him. But I would still take the steps I outlined above.

Bob

Re: Confusion about dissenters. [Re: AllCatholic] #419488 09/26/19 11:10 PM
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There is no doubt that the Church faces a serious crisis, civilization itself is in crisis, we need to preserve and nurture our faith.

In Brazil there are also pro-choice infiltrators affronting the Church and spreading confusion. In my opinion, it is worth to charge and press legitimate pastors to take more energetic actions, first talking privately with the Bishop and then if nothing is resolved, publicly positioning themselves, but skillfully, the aim of the enemies of the church is to silence the voice of believers. But remember that these people will pass, and who will remain in the church are the believers , so "we have time".

Re: Confusion about dissenters. [Re: Santiago Tarsicio] #419504 09/29/19 10:38 PM
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Thank you for your replies. I met with my pastor last week to talk about this situation. I have some compassion for him, but in the end, he allowed this ProChoice woman to receive the Eucharist again today. It looks like I have to take another step.

Re: Confusion about dissenters. [Re: AllCatholic] #419511 09/30/19 09:12 PM
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AllCatholic:

Christ is in our midst!!

I would be a little compassionate with your pastor if I were you. He may have addressed this with the person privately to no avail. In the Catholic tradition, a minister of the Eucharist is not allowed--so I have been told--to publicly refuse the Eucharist to anyone who approaches. I addressed this to my pastor about three decades ago when I was asked to be an Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist. I knew many people in my line who were not Catholics because of my work in the community and I asked if I could refuse--since the normal announcements about who should and who should not approach. He told me emphatically that to refuse is NOT permitted, even when we know that the person is not one who should approach.

Best now to address this with your bishop, but you may get the same response.

I shudder when I read the Communion Epistle of St Paul wherein he admonishes us to examine ourselves before we approach. Unfortunately, we have developed an attitude of entitlement in the past half century that would never have occurred before.

Bob

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Is it possible your pastor hopes that the Eucharist will help them change their views?

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Maybe, but I never heard him express such a view.

Update: I did write to the bishop. He confirmed he received my letter. I have not heard more, but this person has not attended Divine Liturgy for the past three weeks.

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May I suggest you take a step back? May I suggest that you pray for this person's conversion? It seems to me that in your position there is the danger of judging this person, something which is the Lord's alone to do; not yours, not mine. We can sometimes be so anxious over the Holy Mysteries that we overlook the fact that each of us needs to look at himself and keep watch over his own spiritual relationship's health. What the Lord does or does not do with this person--here or hereafter--is His to decide. In the meantime, we need to do our own repentance for our own faults and failings.

No one is worthy--no matter how hard we try or prepare--to receive the Lord's Most Holy Body and Most Precious Blood. But He accepts us anyway. This is not to say that we ought to approach without reading the Apostle Paul's warning about receiving unworthily.

May I suggest taking a lesson form one of the story's in The Desert Fathers. A brother had sinned and his brother--his monastic cellmate--offered to do penance with him for his sin asking for the Lord's forgiveness. The story finishes by saying the Lord, moved by the love of the brother who shouldered his brother's penance, forgave the one who had sinned. May I suggest that you offer a prayer asking for the Lord to forgive all of us who approach Him unworthily, especially when we are judging our neighbor and not seeing our own sin.

Bob


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