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Re: The Bane of Eastern Christianity in America [Re: ajk] #419226 05/19/19 02:08 PM
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Irish Ruthenian: "There are a few hardy souls trying to be Orthodox,"

AJK "But this is a perfect example of "they have NO IDEA who they are." We are Byzantine-Ruthenian Catholics not Orthodox."



My spiritual father would highly disagree with you.

History also would highly disagree with you.

When I read the Canons of Brest, I see Rome telling the Orthodox that they can stay Orthodox.

Ruthenianism in America is a Latinized cross-breed. Which is why, I think, that Pope Francis has stated that Uniatism is outdated and needs to be scrapped.

It didn't work.

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Re: The Bane of Eastern Christianity in America [Re: zaradeptus] #419229 05/19/19 06:48 PM
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Re: The Bane of Eastern Christianity in America [Re: Irish_Ruthenian] #419241 05/21/19 06:54 PM
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For a fuller context see the source post here.

Originally Posted by Irish_Ruthenian
Irish Ruthenian: "There are a few hardy souls trying to be Orthodox,"

AJK "But this is a perfect example of "they have NO IDEA who they are." We are Byzantine-Ruthenian Catholics not Orthodox."



My spiritual father would highly disagree with you.
You and your spiritual father (if he's not Orthodox) should go to your typical Orthodox church, explain this to the priest, and ask him if he will give you Communion.

Originally Posted by Irish_Ruthenian
History also would highly disagree with you.
Can you be more specific?

Originally Posted by Irish_Ruthenian
When I read the Canons of Brest, I see Rome telling the Orthodox that they can stay Orthodox.
Then there need not have been a union.

Originally Posted by Irish_Ruthenian
Ruthenianism in America is a Latinized cross-breed.
It was but that was its via from which it is emerging with successes and failures. I choose to honor the the path of our ancestors, a path that I did not walk and that I do not despise, while confident that it needed to change course, and confident that their faith was genuine. Actually, as I have written here before (as I recall) Latinization stood out in need of correction and that may be a happy fault. What should define "Ruthenianism" if not, at the core, our liturgical expression. We have a Recension and don't follow it in such a way that we embrace it as proclaiming our proper and historical uniqueness. In embracing Orthodoxy, Ruthenians who followed Toth are now and were made to become Russified. Johnstown has fared better under Constantinople but, as I observed and predict, they will become more and more Hellenized. So we, the BCC, are the co-heirs and custodians of a unique liturgical Recension and we squander it piecemeal as exemplified in the 2007 liturgical revisions.

Originally Posted by Irish_Ruthenian
Which is why, I think, that Pope Francis has stated that Uniatism is outdated and needs to be scrapped.

It didn't work.
Well, we're still here, and the Ukrainians and the Melkites and... Uniatism is the present bogyman that is not ecclesiastically correct. It's an historical transient while the real substance is Communion: the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, the ONE Body of Christ.

What exactly was it that Pope Francis stated?

Re: The Bane of Eastern Christianity in America [Re: volodymyr] #420025 05/15/20 08:45 PM
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I have noticed many Protestants have been converting mostly to Latin Rite Catholicism and it is just more readily available and more widely known. Many feel turned off on seeing a more ethnic rooted parish and don't feel a sense of belonging (even though there are still ethnically rooted Latin Rite parishes in the Rustbelt and the great plains). Also, the Latin Rite seems to be a bit more of a comfortable transition for those raised Methodist, Anglican, and Lutheran.

That being said, many of the Melkite, Ukrainian Greek Catholic, Ethiopian Catholic, Syro-Malabar (they are establishing missions across the country), Chaldean and Maronite parishes can be held up by immigrants.

Re: The Bane of Eastern Christianity in America [Re: Nixon] #420035 05/26/20 07:38 PM
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Christos Voskres!

I concur that it is principally due to the ubiquity of Roman parishes in comparison to the few Eastern parishes.

I am from the West, but have bi-ritual faculties and serve both a medium-sized Western parish (1,400 families) and a small Ukrainian parish (50 families, perhaps). For many years I taught RCIA classes, and the "closeness" of the Mass to their own liturgical practice made it easier for Lutherans, Methodists, and other mainline Protestants to join the West. Few, if any of them, had any experience of Eastern worship; much less knowledge of the East in general.

Whenever I can get ANYONE (Catholic or Protestant) to Divine Liturgy for the first time -- they are always amazed (sometimes awestruck) by the full immersion of the senses in worship. This, coupled with the typical outpouring of Eastern hospitality (and Ukrainian pastries) always seems to leave a beautiful mark upon them.

In the final analysis, I think we could have many more Eastern converts if we could simply find those looking for another home and get them to visit one of our Temples. Since many of the RCIA candidates come from those engaged to or dating a Catholic, who, (also due to the simple math of the size of our Churches) tend to be Roman.

Fr. Deacon Christopher

Re: The Bane of Eastern Christianity in America [Re: CCS] #420041 05/31/20 03:11 PM
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I can only speak from a Melkite perspective, but here goes...


BISHOPS VISITING THE FLOCK: Our Bishop visits the parishes of the Eparchy regularly - at least once a year. We will have another shepherding visit from him in a few weeks. We will also have a visit from our Patriarch next year. He visited half the parishes in the Eparchy last year and plans to visit the other half in the coming year.
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As an Orthodox, it is very much important that a bishop visits their flock as much as possible.

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