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Uh huh.....and with all these millions of people wearing masks (I went into WalMart tonight and I was the ONLY PERSON not wearing one) ........

Kindly tell me how it is possible that we are having a "spike in new infections??"

I'll wait......

Infected idiots refusing to wear masks going out in public around others. I hope you don’t get it. I did. It was not pleasant.

But if everyone else is wearing a mask, it shouldn't be spreading, even if an "infected idiot" is out there spreading it around. Masks are the first line of defense, doncha know?

But everyone isn’t wearing a mask. Everyone isn’t not gathering. Everyone isn’t distancing. Masks are certainly not 100% effective and they are more about preventing the infected from spreading it than preventing the wearer from catching it. I have relatives in the frontlines of healthcare. I’ll trust them over conspiracy theory kooks. Here in Pittsburgh hospitals are almost to capacity. I have had two extended family members die from COVID-19. One this week, one earlier in the year.

The question was posed as to why we have spread with so many wearing masks. The answer is simple. People get complacent in too many areas. Complacency is generally a significant factor in every human disaster. Smart people ignored safety issues on the Deep Water Horizon because nothing bad ever happened. Until one day something bad did happen.

I was issued body armor in the event I needed to go into a hot area. Will that body armor protect me from all weapons? No. But I would have to be a complete idiot not to wear it anyway. Seatbelts will not guarantee that I will emerge unharmed from an accident. Do I wear them? Yes! 50% protection (and I'm pulling that figure as an example) is better than no protection at all. A mask may not eliminate my risk, but it will reduce it. I'll take every edge I can get.

COVID is extremely good at transmitting itself from one person to another. It has a much higher fatality rate than your typical seasonal disease. It has proven that it can fill your hospitals beyond capacity. There are increasing cases of people suffering significant after affects. We won't know the full consequences of this disease for several years. We won't know if there is permanent immunity either until it, and the vaccine, have been in the general population for a while.

So, I plan on taking the vaccine. I will also continue to take precautions as I watch it play out. Remember, the consequence of FDA approval is that the general population becomes the last phase trial. We have rushed this, so risk has unavoidable shifted to that last phase. I see it as my duty to my fellow man and to my nation to get this under control. We are still learning the disease and its consequences. And you can only rush it just so much.

Think of it as an exercise in humility. God has allowed Nature to show us we are not nearly as invincible as we think we are. Maybe its an occasion for prayer.

quote=Andy Makar The question was posed as to why we have spread with so many wearing masks. The answer is simple. People get complacent in too many areas. Complacency is generally a significant factor in every human disaster. Smart people ignored safety issues on the Deep Water Horizon because nothing bad ever happened. Until one day something bad did happen.

That is in no way a good comparison. In fact, it is all backwards. I spoke with guys who were on the Deep Water Horizon when I was in Houston a couple of years ago. They said that the people running it were cutting corners at every opportunity to save money - and then the thing blew up in their faces. So to make a good comparison, you would have to say that everyone is not wearing masks (cutting safety corners). The CDC said that their surveys found that 85% of the people who caught the virus stated they wore masks "all the time" or "frequently." Try again.

I was issued body armor in the event I needed to go into a hot area. Will that body armor protect me from all weapons? No. But I would have to be a complete idiot not to wear it anyway. Seatbelts will not guarantee that I will emerge unharmed from an accident. Do I wear them? Yes! 50% protection (and I'm pulling that figure as an example) is better than no protection at all. A mask may not eliminate my risk, but it will reduce it. I'll take every edge I can get.

Should a Christian participate in a lie? Yes or no? This thing has been a lie from the beginning.

COVID is extremely good at transmitting itself from one person to another. It has a much higher fatality rate than your typical seasonal disease.

The fatality rate is .0001% of all people who catch it. Stop believing the lies. I checked the figures here in Virginia. 299,000 cases, 14, 323 hospitalizations, 3,328 deaths. Where's the pandemic? The death figures for the year nationwide are in line with the past several years. Do your homework. Stop believing a lie.


It has proven that it can fill your hospitals beyond capacity. There are increasing cases of people suffering significant after affects. We won't know the full consequences of this disease for several years. We won't know if there is permanent immunity either until it, and the vaccine, have been in the general population for a while.So, I plan on taking the vaccine. I will also continue to take precautions as I watch it play out.

You want to risk your health on a rushed vaccine whose only purpose is to make Big Pharma a ton of money? Hey, you can have my dose as well. I will stick with the things that have been proven to work and will continue to take them.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/...11Z1&mid=DM706723&rid=1008975241


Remember, the consequence of FDA approval is that the general population becomes the last phase trial.

I do NOT consent to being a guinea pig for Big Pharma.


We have rushed this, so risk has unavoidable shifted to that last phase.

A disease that kills less than 1% of the people who get it does not necessitate some kind of all out rush to get a vaccine to market. If the death rate was 15 - 25%, they I would be first in line to get a vaccine. This is a hot, steaming pile, and the sad part is watching the sheep who either don't care or don't know this.


I see it as my duty to my fellow man and to my nation to get this under control.

Your first duty to man is TRUTH and this is a pile of lies with some kind of devious and evil purpose behind it.

Think of it as an exercise in humility. God has allowed Nature to show us we are not nearly as invincible as we think we are. Maybe its an occasion for prayer.

Sort of like the "alternative facts" I once heard someone talk about. Parce, Domine, parce populo tuo!

Masks do nothing and are not effective in preventing anyone from getting covid-19 virus.
If there was enough covid-19 in the air around you, like in a hospital emergency room where people who have covid-19 are coughing and sneezing covid-19 virus would enter your body via your eyes and the masks that we wear are not even air tight and the covid-19 virus can still get in through your mouth and nose.

I work at a major NYC Blood center and have spoken to hundreds of Doctors and Nurses who got covid-19 while treating covid-19 patients and who are now donating their Plasma with covid-19 antibodies and all of them were wearing at least the N95 mask and then some other virus protections.

99% of all those who I spoke to who got covid-19 said that it was just like having at worst a case of a bad flu and most said that it was like having a mild flu.
Many said that they did not know they even had it and were asymptomatic.
If their children got covid-19 they were over it in one or two days,

I'm 72 and my wife is 70 and we both got covid-19 and we didn't even know we had it , we thought it was just our allergies.

America has been brainwashed by the democrats and their democratic controlled lapdog media for the political reason of ousting a sitting President!

Our Catholic Bishops including our own Byzantine Bishops went right along by remaining completely silent when they were ORDERED by democratic governors to cancel Easter services and all
the 7 Sacraments of the Catholic Church for over 4 months because of covid-19 media mass hysteria!.

SLAVA ISUSU CHRISTU!

Isn't it amazing the power and influence the media in this country has? They could be a force for so much good, but having been co-opted by Communists and 1960's Leftist Hippies, they choose instead to hate our country and participate in its destruction.

Christ is in our midst!!

jvf:

I deleted one of your recent posts, #420626, because it was a duplicate.

Bob
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Truth? You have departed from the Truth because you have set up Trump as an idol to replace Him, seeing conspiracies where there was only ineptitude, ridiculing love of neighbor as an inconvenience.

From a friend, a doctor of nursing, and an educator on the front lines:


I write this from love. Pure love. I am not holding back, because silence is complicit. I teach. Young people are watching us. They are dismayed. They shake their heads. I speak for them.

Please pay attention.

It is unethical to ignore this public health crisis in our nation.

We are letting a virus take over our lives. It is a virus. I've said this before. It has no pollical party and no allegiance. It simply seeks a host. We have given this virus way too many hosts. Freely and without even a second thought. Enough.

Ignoring this crisis shows extreme disrespect for our health care workers.

As of the first of November, 1,336 US health care workers have died from COVID exposure while on the job. A 2002 study showed 80-150 health care workers died from exposure to infection on the job. In a year. The worst months are coming up. Why are we not outraged?!

If 1,336 police officers died on the job in the last 8 months, would we be upset? I have former students on the police force. I would weep.

If 1,336 attorneys died on the job in the last 8 months, what would we do? I have dear friends and family members who are attorneys. I would demand to know why.

If 1336 teachers died on the job in the last 8 months, how would we react? I am a teacher. I am honored to teach new teachers. I would wail.

If 1336 miners died while working in the last 8 months, would we be outraged? My papa was a miner. I remember his stories. He was proud of his work. I was proud of him. I would cry out.

These fine health care workers are simply doing their jobs. They are exhausted; they are running on fumes. They are facing ridiculous challenges.

Why, you may ask, am I so troubled right now? I will share. I just finished messaging with one of my former students. She is in her fourth year as a nurse practitioner. Young, idealistic. Full of passion. She works in the Midwest. I will keep her name anonymous at her request, but she said I could share her story.

In her ICU, the beds are full. When one COVID patient dies, that bed fills quickly. Over the weekend, she and her team were preparing a patient to be put on a vent. As the MD on the team tried to explain the ramifications of this procedure, the patient cursed at the MD, told him the virus was not real and he only had the flu, and then, when the MD gently tried to once more explain the intubation. this very ill patient, full of anger, spat on the MD. The MD was wearing protective gear, but this act of disdain stunned my former student.

She connected with me because today the patient died.

If you know a health care worker, reach out to them. Tell them you appreciate them. Tell them you will mask. Wear your mask correctly. Distance. Stay home.

I honor our health care workers. I respect them. I was once one of them. I remember dealing with a meningitis outbreak as a young RN at Children's.

No one mocked the gowns/gloves/masks/protective gear we wore. Parents thanked us. They respected limitations on visiting. I felt honored and respected. No one denied what was clearly a public health crisis, albeit a small one in comparison to COVID.

We must do all we can to stop this.

I love Christmas, but it doesn't need to be celebrated with large family groups on December 25th. Host Christmas in July.

My very best holiday in the entire year is Christmas Eve. I love it. I love my traditions. I love my family around my table, but I will not gather with my beloved family members on the 24th. For the good of the whole. For the good of my community. For the good of my country.

I will define patriotism for you. A patriot does the right thing for our nation...for all Americans, right now. For those who are elderly, ill, or at risk of lethal COVID reactions. For all.

Please stop comparing wearing a mask to losing liberty. No one's liberty gives them the right to deny other people their lives.

My parents sacrificed during WWII. I know my papa would be dismayed to hear people claiming mask wearing takes away liberty. I know he would talk about rationing sugar and gas. I remember his stories about how he could not buy new tires for his car for years. People had curfew. They had black out curtains. All of these sacrifices were done for the good of the country. We live in a community and we do things for the sake of the common good.

I am not going to debate this, because it is no longer debatable. Wearing a mask does not mean we are a socialist nation. Nor is it the first step to communism. Do not comment bogus claims about masks not working or isolation not making a difference.

I have dear friends and loved ones in health care on the front lines. I have isolated myself since March, with my only "excursions" to the chemo clinic. I am one of the people some consider "disposable".

My life is not disposable. Neither are the lives of the health care workers we celebrated in the spring and now have conveniently forgotten.

I feel like a prophet. I have kindly and respectfully cried out about this since January. All that I feared and warned of is coming true.

Prophets are often disrespected. Even if I am disrespected, I will not disrespect anyone, but I will delete any lies, conspiracy theories, or comments that argue the reality of this virus. With impunity. Please think before you post. I'm finished discussing this. And, do not dare tell me this is fake news. If I never hear our free press called 'the enemy of the people' again, I will have great joy. You see, I also have dear friends and family who are journalists.

There is no anger like the anger of an Italian Nonnie who thinks those she holds dear are being disrespected or hurt.

We are all responsible for the well-being of our neighbors.
#EachPersonIsAPersonofWorth means it's time to get serious.

I am passionate about this. We can do this. Together.

Another appraisal, from Cardinal Pell:
Cardinal Pell’s new ‘Prison Jou...tary confinement and nature of suffering [americamagazine.org]

My recommendation: Trump criticism, YES; Trump bashing, NO.

My recommendation: Trump criticism, YES; Trump bashing, NO; Trump supporter criticism, YES; Trump supporter bashing, NO. What specifically warrants the "you have set up Trump as an idol to replace Him"?

Who is this friend? Where specifically is the friend's and the friend's former student's location?