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Have you read Venerable ABP Fulton J Sheens 1947 prophesy?
I did.
I'm curious about this. Is this the thing you have in mind? https://www.virgosacrata.com/antichrist-signs-of-our-times.html

Generally, I think the things said there are prophetic, but I can't see that it ultimately supports a claim like this:

Originally Posted by jvf
Right now the present Catholic Church is the "ape" catholic Church prophesied in 1947 by Venerable ABP Fulton J Sheen about
a future crisis in the Catholic Church where there will arise an "ape" (fake) pope with an "ape" catholic Church hierarchy that
will try and change true Catholic Church Doctrines to suit their false beliefs.
For example, in the above speech, Archbishop Sheen seems to say that the one who will lead the "ape" Church will "induce faith in astrology so as to make not the will but the stars responsible for our sins" and will "explain guilt away psychologically as repressed sex." I don't think anything like that has happened. Do you? You say that the "prophesy" "has been fulfilled to a 'T'."

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The present Catholic Church is crisis, Cardinals against Cardinals, Bishops against Bishops, Priests against Priests,
About what you may ask?
About this pope changing True Catholic Church Doctrines to suit his socialist ,marxist and globalist views.

The present "ape" catholic Church hierarchy is in Schism with True Catholic Church Hierarchy who believe in True Catholic Doctrines.

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Remember this?

Pope Francis attended an act of idolatrous worship of the pagan goddess Pachamama. He allowed this worship to take place in the Vatican Gardens, thus desecrating the vicinity of the graves of the martyrs and of the church of the Apostle Peter. He participated in this act of idolatrous worship by blessing a wooden image of Pachamama. the idol of Pachamama was placed in front of the main altar at St. Peter’s and then carried in procession to the Synod Hall.

I believe that what Ven ABP Fulton J Sheen said that "Church will induce Faith in Astrology" is saying "not a Christian belief."
In 1947 that's the closest thing that he could think of as a false Faith.

Venerable ABP Fulton J Sheen is a True Saint of the Catholic Church and was also a Holy seer who predicted other worldly events, like the death of communist leader stalin in 1954.

The NYAD of cdl dolan fought the removal of Ven ABP Sheens body from St Patricks to his hometown of Peoria Illinois where Ven ABP Sheens Canonization Process was started
for years . His Canonization process was started in the his hometown Peoria, Illinois Diocese. In order for the Canonization process to continue Ven ABP Sheens body had
to be brought back to the place of origin of the Canonization process.
cdl dolan of the NYAD fought this for years.
Ven ABP Sheens Niece brought a lawsuit against the NYAD and won, to the anger of dolan and the NYAD.
Ven ABP Sheens body was brought back to Peoria Ill and the Canonization process was continued.
THAN IT WAS STOPPED by dolan and the NYAD, along with cdl cupich, tobin-nj, gregory, wuerl et al.
WHY?
dolan said that Venerable ABP Fulton's Canonization process had to be HALTED because the New York Attorney General has an investigation going on about Bishops who
covered up sexual abuse going back to the 1960's.
Venerable ABP Fulton J Sheen was sent to the Rochester NY Diocese to be Bishop from 1964 - 1970.
dolan said that Venerable ABP Fulton J Sheen had to be "investigated" first before Canonization could be continued.

Read up about the cdl spellman dispute with Venerable ABP Fulton J Sheen in the 1960's, and what led to his "transfer"
to Rochester NY.
This is a eye opener.

SLAVA ISUSU CHRISTU

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Originally Posted by jvf
The present Catholic Church is crisis, Cardinals against Cardinals, Bishops against Bishops, Priests against Priests,
About what you may ask?
About this pope changing True Catholic Church Doctrines to suit his socialist ,marxist and globalist views.

The present "ape" catholic Church hierarchy is in Schism with True Catholic Church Hierarchy who believe in True Catholic Doctrines.

I find the venomous attacks you make against the present Bishop of Rome and living Catholic bishops absolutely scandalous and unworthy of this forum. Moreover, they deny the very True Catholic Doctrines you purport to uphold. Who's the "APE"?

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The present Catholic Church is crisis, Cardinals against Cardinals, Bishops against Bishops, Priests against Priests,
About what you may ask?
About this pope changing True Catholic Church Doctrines to suit his socialist ,marxist and globalist views.

The present "ape" catholic Church hierarchy is in Schism with True Catholic Church Hierarchy who believe in True Catholic Doctrines.

Christ is in our midst!!

jvf,

We don't make such vicious attacks against the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church, or any of the other Christians communities whose members share this forum. I am inviting you to go to Town Hall and read the thread entitled "Who We Are." The attacks and uncharitable posts you have made in this thread don't represent who we are as a group of Christians who have gathered here to learn from each other and support each other.

It might be well that you examine your conscience and decide if you belong here, especially in light of the posts you have made here recently. You are far from comments that pertain tothe original topic of this thread.

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"We don't make such vicious attacks against the Catholic Church,"

There are Catholic Cardinals, Bishops, Priests and Theologians who believe the same as I do.

Read the 1947 prophesy of Venerable ABP Fulton J Sheen who was a holy seer and also
read Jesus (there will come a time prophesies) and the Fatima, Akita, LaSalette and Quito prophesies of Theotokos.

It doesn't take a Theologian to see that what is happening now in the present Catholic Church
is a "perfect storm" of prophesies.

MOST HOLY MOTHER OF GOD SAVE OUR CHURCH THAT GOD MADE YOU THE QUEEN OF!
PRAY THE ROSARY,DAILY-ALWAYS!

SLAVA ISUSU CHRISTU

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Read the 1947 prophesy of Venerable ABP Fulton J Sheen about a future "ape" pope and "ape" catholic Church.
The future is NOW!

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Read the 1947 prophesy of Venerable ABP Fulton J Sheen about a future "ape" pope and "ape" catholic Church.
The future is NOW!

I don't need to read or hear this "prophesy" to know that your interpretation of it is ridiculous and absurd. Having grown up in my youth with Bishop Sheen's live broadcasts from New York City I am sure he did not have in mind the valid and legitimately elected Bishop of Rome and the bishops in union with him throughout the world. Yes, we watched "Uncle Milty" too - so what? Enough said.

To revert to the thread at hand, it should be noted that not only His Holiness, Pope Francis, is urging the faithful get fully vaccinated against Covid 19, but the Greek Orthodox Archbishop of America, His Eminence Elpidophoros supported by his Primate, the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople is forbidding priests of the Greek Archdiocese from granting papers of exemption to those refusing to get the vaccine. I believe His Beatitude, Patriarch Kirill of Moscow has issued a similar message. I think there is an element of universality (call it Catholic) to all this. These are NOT "APE" churches!

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"To revert to the thread at hand, it should be noted that not only His Holiness, Pope Francis, is urging the faithful get fully vaccinated against Covid 19, but the Greek Orthodox Archbishop of America, His Eminence Elpidophoros supported by his Primate, the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople is forbidding priests of the Greek Archdiocese from granting papers of exemption to those refusing to get the vaccine. I believe His Beatitude, Patriarch Kirill of Moscow has issued a similar message. I think there is an element of universality (call it Catholic) to all this. These are NOT "APE" churches!"


The mRNA covid-19 shot was tested on an aborted STEM cell line during its process development.
The mRNA shot is Morally Tainted according to Catholic Church Doctrine on abortion.
"the ends do not justify the means".

Catholic Bishops of all Catholic Rites have ordered their Priests not to give any supporting Conscientious Objection documentation
to a Catholic refusing his employers "mandate" to take the shot or else be "voluntarily resigned" aka fired.
Why?
BECAUSE THE POPE SAYS IT'S OK to take the morally abortion tainted mRNA "shot".
THIS POPE IS NOT FOLLOWING CATHOLIC CHURCH DOCTRINE ON ABORTION
AMONG OTHER CATHOLIC CHURCH DOCTRINE ISSUES that he is trying to change.

If you are a Catholic It's NOT OK according to Catholic Church Doctrine to take the covid-19 mRNA "shot".

READ THIS, Unless you are afraid to.
https://www.virgosacrata.com/antichrist-signs-of-our-times.html

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Fr Deacon, with all due respect, who gives a hoot what Rome says or does? We are not Roman Catholics. We do not kneel at the table of Rome, begging for scraps. Why some of our Bishops hurry to heed Rome's every whim and fancy is the very reason the Orthodox rightfully suspect us as being false or cheap imitators of Orthodoxy.

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jvf you said "MOST HOLY MOTHER OF GOD SAVE OUR CHURCH THAT GOD MADE YOU THE QUEEN OF!
PRAY THE ROSARY,DAILY-ALWAYS!"

I disagree. We have our own spiritual traditions and devotions that are older and more venerable than the Roman Church's. We have no need whatsoever for a marian rosary whose very method of prayer runs contrary to the typical understanding of prayer as taught by the Eastern Fathers. The marian rosary is a latinization and no Byzantine Catholic should take part in it.

It's not "wrong" to pray a marian rosary, of course. But to make it sound mandatory or necessary is just plain wrong. I doubt the Romans would take kindly to me telling them: PRAY THE JESUS PRAYER WITHOUT CEASING TO STRIVE TO ATTAIN PERFECT UNITY WITH JESUS CHRIST. There would be nothing wrong with Roman Catholics adopting the Jesus prayer and praying as the Eastern Fathers teach. But it would be contrary to their own authentic faith tradition. I think if we are to be Eastern Catholics, we need to let go of everything Western Catholic (and vice versa). Let us respect our varied traditions by being faithful in our adherence to them.

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"I disagree. We have our own spiritual traditions and devotions that are older and more venerable than the Roman Church's. We have no need whatsoever for a marian rosary whose very method of prayer runs contrary to the typical understanding of prayer as taught by the Eastern Fathers. The marian rosary is a latinization and no Byzantine Catholic should take part in it."

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
ARE YOU EVEN CATHOLIC?

PRAY THE ROSARY, DAILY-ALWAYS!
I DO.

I AM A CATHOLIC of the Byzantine Rite of the UNIVERSAL CATHOLIC CHURCH who Receives the Real Presence Eucharist
in any CATHOLIC CHURCH RITE THAT I WANT TO AND PRAY ANY PRAYER TO THEOTOKOS THAT I WANT TO OF ANY OF THE 27 RITES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!
THEOTOKOS IS QUEEN OF ALL 27 RITES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

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That's where the money is.

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Originally Posted by jvf
"I disagree. We have our own spiritual traditions and devotions that are older and more venerable than the Roman Church's. We have no need whatsoever for a marian rosary whose very method of prayer runs contrary to the typical understanding of prayer as taught by the Eastern Fathers. The marian rosary is a latinization and no Byzantine Catholic should take part in it."

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
ARE YOU EVEN CATHOLIC?

PRAY THE ROSARY, DAILY-ALWAYS!
I DO.

I AM A CATHOLIC of the Byzantine Rite of the UNIVERSAL CATHOLIC CHURCH who Receives the Real Presence Eucharist
in any CATHOLIC CHURCH RITE THAT I WANT TO AND PRAY ANY PRAYER TO THEOTOKOS THAT I WANT TO OF ANY OF THE 27 RITES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!
THEOTOKOS IS QUEEN OF ALL 27 RITES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Greetings jvf!

Just a couple of things, really. First of all, there's no need to shout at us. There are ways to show emphasis without shouting.

Secondly, of course you may pray any prayer you like to the Theotokos. No one is saying that you may not. But we, as Eastern Catholics do have our own traditions and prayers, as has been mentioned, and they are part of being an Eastern Catholic. If you want to pray the Latin rosary, by all means go ahead--it is a beautiful devotion, but involves the use of the imagination which, in the East, tends to be discouraged during prayer, or at least certain types of prayer. (And yes, I'm fully aware of "rosary of St. Seraphim of Sarov", also very beautiful.) But, please...don't shout at the rest of us that we must/should do the same when we are not inclined to do so.

God bless!

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Christ is in our midst!!

I believe that this thread has strayed far from its original title. It has also become a thing dripping with the venom of demonic hatred. While we can disagree about many things, our forum rules about civility, based on Christ's command "to love one another" are being damaged.

For that reason, I am locking this thread to further posts.

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