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#44365 - 02/16/06 03:14 PM One question on Old Rite practice
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Dear Old Rite Friends,

Just a question on the Entrance and Departure Bows.

(All right, I admit it - I don't know everything and never said I did!)

One does the seven bows with the Sign of the Cross when saying them - so, in other words, when one says, following the Trinitarian Doxology, "and now and always and unto the ages of ages" one also makes the Sign of the Cross using those words - correct?

Just one of those little things I always wondered about.

Alex

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#44366 - 02/16/06 04:17 PM Re: One question on Old Rite practice
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For the conclusion of the entrance or departure bows: Glory...(bow); Now and ever...(bow); Lord have mercy (twice)...O Lord Bless (bow), these bows being preceded by crossing yourself.

After "O Lord, bless" is the dismissal. If I remember correctly from the Domostroi, if a priest is not present, at the end of the dismissal you cross yourself and then bow; if a priest is present you simply make the bow without the Sign of the Cross as you then go to him for his blessing.

One practice I really like are the "bows to the Mother of God" in the Old Rite morning prayers:
All my hope (bow), I place in thee O Mother of God (bow), do preserve me under thy shelter (prostration).
FDD

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#44367 - 02/16/06 04:30 PM Re: One question on Old Rite practice
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Forgive the Off Topic wink

But - nice Icon Alex

Isn't it "Unexpected Joy " ?

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#44368 - 02/16/06 05:43 PM Re: One question on Old Rite practice
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Dearest Anhelyna,

Yes, - its miracles were investigated by none other than St Dmitri Tuptalo, Metropolitan of Rostov . . .

He didn't like the Old Rite, you know . . . wink

How was your St Valentine's Day?

Alex

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#44369 - 02/16/06 05:45 PM Re: One question on Old Rite practice
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Dear Father DIAKon,

Thank you!

I think the last prayer to the Mother of God is always said at the end of the Departure - as opposed to the Entrance - Bows, no?

That is what it says in the Nativity Old Rite prayerbook . . .

Also, may one just recite Akathists without ANY canons accompanying them?

Alex

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#44370 - 02/16/06 07:11 PM Re: One question on Old Rite practice
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That's right. The Bows to the Mother of God can finish off prayer at any time of the day at the departure bows. I sometimes say them alone when I have just a second during the day.

The usual Old Rite way to read an Akathist is after Ode Six of a Canon, and finish Odes Seven through Nine at the end of the Akathist. It's basically similar in format to a Moleben read for private prayer. Most of the Old Rite liturgical "purists" discourage the Akathist alone outside of a Canon.
FDD

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