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#46375 - 11/11/01 11:25 PM Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
Robert Horvath Offline
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Registered: 11/06/01
Posts: 558
Loc: Ave Maria, FL
Glory be to Jesus Christ!

I had a question, how does an Eastern Christian, whether Catholic or Orthodox, start a mission? There are several of my friends who want to experience the Eastern tradition, in the fullness of the Holy Mysteries, here in Ketchikan, more specifically the Eastern Catholic tradition. We even designate one time a week to pray typika and several Akathist hymns at my ikon corner at my house. How many families do you have to have to start a mission? Is an outreach possible if a mission isn't?

Thank you.

In Christ,

Chief Among Sinners, Robert

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#46376 - 11/11/01 11:33 PM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
anastasios Offline
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Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 958
Loc: Raleigh, NC
try this missian handbook:

www.antiochian.org ----> Departments -------> Missions and Evangelism ---------> Resources ------> "manaul" [sic]. 89 pages of mission suggestions. Go for it buddy!

anastasios

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#46377 - 11/12/01 10:19 AM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
Robert Horvath Offline
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Registered: 11/06/01
Posts: 558
Loc: Ave Maria, FL
Glory be to Jesus Christ!

WOW! The Antiochians have a powerful resource. It seems to be very evangelical in its approach; I do not see any problem with most of it. I am not sure if our Metroloplia has anything similar in publication, but I will talk to some of my friends about perhaps using its ideas.

Thank you for your suggestion.

In Christ:


Robert, Chief Among Sinners

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#46378 - 11/24/01 08:56 AM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
Joyce Scott Offline
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Registered: 11/24/01
Posts: 15
Loc: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Robert,

I am shocked no one has posted on this message! Evangelization is the most important thing. Shame on all of you for not posting a thousand messages on this topic. Saving souls is more important than our gossip and speculation about meaningless topics.

If any of you don't post here I pray the Spirit convicts you. I am going to send him a letter of support and anything else he needs to get a mission started in his home town. You people would much rather talk about Islam and all that other nonsense than helping a brother in Christ with advice and help on starting a mission. Well I know that I am going to support him.

Expect a letter from me Robert, I will help you as much as I can. You know I am 63 years old and I after reading Robert's posts think he should be a priest. I would help him through seminary.

I will email you my address and phone number, please call me Robert and I will help you as much as I can.

God bless you. Please become a priest!

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#46379 - 11/24/01 09:37 AM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
Carson Daniel Offline
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Registered: 11/07/01
Posts: 5497
Loc: Joliet, Illinois
I don't know how I missed this post earlier, but why not contact your bishop and get his support. I will pray for the success of your efforts. I may be doing the same thing as you are doing someday.

I know that we have convinced ourselves that we don't have enough priests to go around and that we aren't supposed to do mission work because that is the perview of the Roman Catholics yet, may God have mercy upon us, we must support missions or we don't deserve to exist.

Dan Lauffer

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#46380 - 11/24/01 10:06 AM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
spdundas Offline
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Registered: 11/04/01
Posts: 864
Loc: Wichita
Quote:
Originally posted by Joyce Scott:


I am shocked no one has posted on this message! Evangelization is the most important thing. Shame on all of you for not posting a thousand messages on this topic. Saving souls is more important than our gossip and speculation about meaningless topics.


Shame on YOU! For judging us! We have spoken many times about evangelization! You don't know us! You don't know anything about this Forum! So lay off!

spdundas
mad

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#46381 - 11/24/01 10:29 AM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
Rev. Fr. Peter-Michael Preble Offline
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Registered: 11/10/01
Posts: 142
Loc: Southbridge, Massachusetts
Glory Be to Jesus Christ!

I hope the tone on this particular topic tones down a little bit. I am part of a new mission here in the Boston area. It is part of the Romanian Diocese of Canton Ohio, and it is very small at the moment. We are lucky that God has provided us wih a holy priest, and also a place for us to meet. The people come from all over New England for liturgy, and the spirit is wonderful.

I have been a very big supporter of evangelization for many years. I attended an evangelical college, and they really know what they are doing when it comes to saving souls. I do not want to debate weather they are acually saved or not, but we could learn many things from them. They are not afraid to talk about their faith wit anyone they meet, and they acually believe and live what they preach. This is something that we all need to do.

I believe that we byzantines are the best kept secret in the church, and we need to get the word out. There are many people who need us, but we need to look for them.

In His Service,

Peter

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#46382 - 11/24/01 10:46 AM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
The young fogey Offline
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Registered: 11/03/01
Posts: 1025
Loc: Private
I concur with Spdundas that Joyce may have jumped to the wrong conclusion about us on the forum. Robert, it seems you're off to a good start with a real (though little) congregation and a place to worship. I'd think the next step would be to contact your old church, St Nicholas Cathedral in Anchorage, and your eparchial locum tenens (the priest running the eparchy until you get a new bishop) in Phoenix, and ask for help. I don't know how practical this would be, never having traveled in Alaska, but could a priest from St Nicholas come round to Ketchikan once a month to serve?

http://oldworldrus.com

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#46383 - 11/26/01 11:48 AM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
Dragani Offline
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Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 273
Loc: Portage, PA
Quote:
Originally posted by Br. Peter M Preble:
Glory Be to Jesus Christ!

I hope the tone on this particular topic tones down a little bit. I am part of a new mission here in the Boston area. It is part of the Romanian Diocese of Canton Ohio, and it is very small at the moment. We are lucky that God has provided us wih a holy priest, and also a place for us to meet. The people come from all over New England for liturgy, and the spirit is wonderful.

Peter


Br. Peter,

I am so glad to hear about this! The Romanian Diocese of Canton is a wonderful group. It is small, but has a lot going right for it. Bishop John Michael is a real pastor... he is probably one of the best Eastern Catholic bishops in the USA. He's also a liturgical purist, and promotes a full return to Eastern traditions.

Please send me some information about your mission.

God Bless,
Anthony

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#46384 - 11/26/01 12:34 PM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
Edwin Offline
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Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 256
Loc: Parma Eparchy
Joyce,

I believe the Ruthenian Metropolia conducted a conference on Evangelization a few years back and it was attended by all eparchies. I don't know the outcome.

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#46385 - 11/27/01 02:56 AM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
Michael Brooks Offline
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Registered: 11/04/01
Posts: 43
Loc: Semi-nomadic
Hey Spdundas! Ms. Scott said she was 63 years old, which is close to the age of my momma! The proper response would be "yes, ma'am!"

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#46386 - 11/27/01 03:38 AM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
Dr John Offline
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Registered: 11/04/01
Posts: 1394
Loc: Falls Church, Virginia
Interesting topic, indeed.

As a Greek-American (of the Catholic persuasion, although not unknow to the Greek Orthodox), I am also a Bostonian -- born and bred.

Boston is a unique place; like a number of "old cities" it is an ethnic mosaic. Folks go where their families go: Irish, Italian, Polish, etc. Constantinopolitan or Eastern Christians are mainly Greek (Orthodox), Syrian (Orthodox), Ukrainian (both), Armenian (both), Antioch (both Antiochian and Melkite) and recently Coptic and Ethiopian.

Looking for converts is a difficult job. Some RCs will jump for liturgical reasons. Some unchurched will also jump. For Prots: forget it.

Unfortunately, anything that is "ethnic" seems to be the kiss of death, unless it your own. (Our Jesuit RC German Catholic parish -- Holy Trinity in the South End, now caters mostly to Chinese and Spanish speakers; German once a month at 10:00. Sorta-kinda German-Latin. The Poles at Our Lady of Czestochowa parish in Dorchester are barely holding its own. So too the French at Notre Dame des Victoires in the Back Bay, and the Italians at St. Leonard's in the North End.

The fact is: the already baptized are most likely to go to "their own" if they are church goers; the non-church-goers are fair game, but they are more likely to go to "American Church", whatever that may be.

It is interesting to me that apart from the Melkites in Newton (and the insular Ukrainians) there are no non-Orthodox Eastern communities in the metro-Boston area. And even the "native-ethnic" parishes are having a hard time.

The question is: in light of these realities, what do we have to do to bring people in to our Eastern parishes?

Blessings!

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#46387 - 11/27/01 09:06 AM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
aChristian@Work Offline
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Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 293
Loc: Florida
"The question is: in light of these realities, what do we have to do to bring people in to our Eastern parishes?"

Tell them about it!
_________________________
St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle,
be our defense against the wickedness
and snares of the devil;
may God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the divine power,
thrust into hell Satan
and all the evil spirits
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen.

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#46388 - 11/27/01 09:22 AM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
Kurt Offline
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Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 460
Loc: USA
Quote:
there are no non-Orthodox Eastern communities in the metro-Boston area.


Actually I think there is an Armenian Church affiliated either with the Congregationalists or the Presbyterians.
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Martyered Victims of Nicholas Romanov, Pray for us!

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#46389 - 12/15/01 11:13 AM Re: Starting an Eastern Christian Mission
Rev. Fr. Peter-Michael Preble Offline
Member

Registered: 11/10/01
Posts: 142
Loc: Southbridge, Massachusetts
There is also a Romanian Mission in Wakefield.

http://members.aol.com/stjosephsbyz/index.html

Br. Peter

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