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Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima #47260 08/29/05 03:20 AM
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There are variations of the Fatimskaya icon.

Here is one from www.stmichaelruscath.org/outbound/incommunion/poland.htm

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There is another variant that is commercially available from the 101 Foundation:

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You can order it here: www.101foundation.com/item474.html

A group of Catholic pilgrims to Moscow presented a copy of the above icon to a Russian Orthodox bishop at the Epiphany Patriarchal Cathedral in Moscow. You can read about that in the book, Finally, Russia!, also available from the 101 Foundation.

Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima #47261 09/02/05 01:43 PM
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Hello!
Great to finally have some news of the origins of the Icon.
Griego, I am so sorry that I didn't receive your PM a few days earlier as I went to visit the Chapel last Wednsday, and I don't go that often. I am pretty sure, however, that I have some more photographs somewhere of the interior of the chapel, I'll try to locate them and share them on this topic.
Since I opened this topic I grew tired of waiting and finally printed out a copy of the Icon and took it to some Dominican Nuns in Lisbon who make reproductions of Icons. They made it for me and it came out very well. I had it made to give some friends, since it worked out so well I am now going to order some more for myself and other friends.
Griego, the high resolution image I have is really very large. I believe it's about 17mb. I have it on a CD at home, I'll confirm and let you know. If I don't get back to you next week then remind me. I don't think it would be easy to mail, but maybe we could try some other way.
Filipe

Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima [Re: Filipe YTOL] #395455 06/13/13 01:01 AM
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Yes, yes, I know, I know, I have resuscitated an 8-year-old thread! shocked grin

8 years ago, I wrote the following:

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Here is more info about the icon from the booklet, Welcome to the Byzantine-Russian Catholic Chapel in Fatima, written by the late Mitred Archimandrite John Mowatt, former rector of the Byzantine Chapel at Fatima:

"This particualr icon is of an ancient Russian source and in copying the icon the artist just added the figures of the three Seers, Lucia, Francisco, and Jacinta. It is interesting to note here that the Russian Church already had an icon of the Most Holy Virgin Mary, clothed in white, and appearing on top of a tree as she radiated and drew the peoples of the world towards her. This is more than just a mere coincidence as, generally speaking, most Russian and other Byzantine icons of Our Lady always portray her as holding the Divine Child."


Recently in looking through this online directory of icons, I came across this icon:

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It certainly seems to match Fr. Mowatt's description of the icon that served as the basis for the Fatimskaya.

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Description of the icon.

The icon is also painted on the sanctuary wall of the church. :

Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima [Re: griego catolico] #395485 06/13/13 05:20 PM
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The description in Russian, if I may give my translation, says that the spot where the Mother of God appeared is in Kiselev in Luhansk (where my mother's family heralds from).

Two hundred years ago there was a small grove of five oak trees through which a miracle-working stream passed and a blind boy was cured there.

In 1924, pilgrims came to the spot again where only the stump of one of the oak trees remained. There they prayed and miracles occurred. Daily, more than two thousand pilgrims came there to sing canons and akathists to the Mother of God.

In 1979, an image of the Cross appeared there on the stump beside an icon of Christ. It is said that the Mother of God herself protects the spot.

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Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima [Re: Orthodox Catholic] #395585 06/17/13 08:23 AM
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Sad to say they do not in the US and in Slovakia. It may be weird along the Slovak Ukraine border where the Rusyn eparchies were split from each other after the war.Not all Slovak Greek Catholics in Slovakia are on the western Paschalion though. The local BCC pastor used to serve a village in Slovakia with two Greek Catholic parishes, one all Gregorian calendar, the other all Julian calender including the Orthodox Paschalon. This year the current priest in that village would have started the Triodon in early January and will celebrate Pentecost this Sunday - nearly six months!

Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima [Re: DMD] #395596 06/17/13 10:39 PM
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^ The Android gods apparently apparently sent this post to the wrong thread. Sorry.

Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima [Re: DMD] #395619 06/18/13 06:38 PM
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Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima [Re: Fr. Deacon Lance] #395627 06/19/13 11:07 AM
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An interesting piece along with an interesting effort to.make some mutually acceptable peace out of Fatima. Sadly, I will argue that the effort was in vain as the harsh ideologues of Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy have created their own immutable charicatures and versions of Fatima for their own purposes. The sincere and spiritual efforts of the priest and iconographer are valiant, but perhaps they should collaborate on a less divisive concept in the same spirit?

Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima [Re: griego catolico] #395631 06/19/13 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by griego catolico
Yes, yes, I know, I know, I have resuscitated an 8-year-old thread! shocked grin

Recently in looking through this online directory of icons, I came across this icon:

It certainly seems to match Fr. Mowatt's description of the icon that served as the basis for the Fatimskaya.

Video.

Description of the icon.

The icon is also painted on the sanctuary wall of the church. :


Interesting. smile

I haven't seen any similar to the one which was in our garden shrine in the old location, and now is in the hall near our agape room.

The one fashioned as in your description here, is now in a small room used for spiritual direction and reconciliation. I have an 8.5" X 11" print of it which is from the old Russian program at Fordham. The text on the back is in Russian. I'll scan the text and post it in the photos section.

Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima [Re: likethethief] #395633 06/19/13 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by likethethief
I have an 8.5" X 11" print of it which is from the old Russian program at Fordham. The text on the back is in Russian. I'll scan the text and post it in the photos section.

I look forward to seeing it. Any possibility of having an English translation along with it?

Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima [Re: Filipe YTOL] #395634 06/19/13 09:26 PM
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I would be curious to know if anyone has the high res image of the original icon which Filipe posted which began this thread.

Thanks!

Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima [Re: likethethief] #399611 10/01/13 06:12 PM
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Just discovered this spectacular icon of Our Lady of Fátima: http://www.kathpedia.com/images/b/b0/Mulier_amicta_sole.jpg



Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima [Re: griego catolico] #399627 10/01/13 11:10 PM
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Oh my God - Greigo Amigo, you deserve an award or something for this find!!

Thank you!!

Alex

Re: Icon of Our Lady Of Fatima [Re: Amadeus] #419598 10/26/19 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Amadeus
Dear Filipe:

Can you give us a brief sketch on the origins of the Icon of Our Lady of Fatima?

Was the writer an Eastern or Western iconographer?

Thanks.

Amado

Fourteen years ago, I wrote the following:

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As to the origins of the Fatimskaya icon, here is what I have collected from personal research:

"The titilar eikon of the center, Our Lady of Fatima, is a contemporary work, executed in Paris according to the classic canons of Russian eikon painting, that is to say, applying egg tempura to a carefully prepared wood surface. Our Lady appearing to the three children in the elongated hieratic form associated with high Russian iconographic art." - "The Russian Catholic Center in San Francisco, California", Eastern Churches Quarterly

So, according to the article, the icon was written in Paris according to the traditional manner.

Here is more info about the icon from the booklet, Welcome to the Byzantine-Russian Catholic Chapel in Fatima, written by the late Mitred Archimandrite John Mowatt, former rector of the Byzantine Chapel at Fatima:

"This particualr icon is of an ancient Russian source and in copying the icon the artist just added the figures of the three Seers, Lucia, Francisco, and Jacinta. It is interesting to note here that the Russian Church already had an icon of the Most Holy Virgin Mary, clothed in white, and appearing on top of a tree as she radiated and drew the peoples of the world towards her. This is more than just a mere coincidence as, generally speaking, most Russian and other Byzantine icons of Our Lady always portray her as holding the Divine Child."

Now, fourteen years later, I finally discovered that it was George Morozoff of Paris, who painted the icon in 1950.

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Этот образ Богоматери написан русским иконописцем Георгием Морозовым в 1950 г. Фатимские пастушки изображены в нижнем левом углу, а в правом – люди, с удивлением наблюдающие «пляску солнца».
Над ними – паломники, испрашивающие заступничества Пречистой Девы.
Source.

He is the same iconographer who painted the magnificent iconostasis of the Byzantine Chapel of the Dormition in Fátima.

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