Friends,

Does anyone know if a tropar has ever been composed in honor of the Virgin of Guadalupe...in Spanish or in English??

I'd appreciate any help I could get.

God be with you,
fr richard

I believe Fr Maximos of Holy Resurrection Monastery had posted one awhile back. I don't know if it was here or on CINEAST. I'll try to see if I can find it.

BTW, Greetings from Central Point (3 hours S of you)!

Dave Ignatius DTBrown@aol.com

An Internet search under "tropar guadalupe" brought up this partial webpage from the old Byzantine Forum. Only page 2 is available:

http://www.byzcath.org/bboard/Forum2/HTML/000162-2.html

In it, however, it says that the Ukrainian Catholic monastery near Ukiah, California has composed a tropar for the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

Dave Ignatius DTBrown@aol.com

Bless, Father Richard,

As you know, the Byzantine Office has a "one size fits all" set of Tropars and Canons for the Mother of God and every category of Saint (in the Menaion).

Our Lady of Guadalupe, being a miraculous Image, can also be honoured with those same Propers.

Also, the Akathist to the Mother of God can be prayed before any Icon or Image.

There is also an Akathist to the Immaculate Conception in the Akathistnyk of 1893 published at L'viv that would also be appropriate for this Image.

Alex

Just curious...does it exist in English translation?

Dave Ignatius DTBrown@aol.com

Father, Bless!

Fr. Richard,

If you contact the webmaster at webmaster@www.byzcath.org and provide a fax number I can fax you a copy of the texts.

Dear Dave,

Alas, I know of no English translation.

But if you REALLY wanted it, I could do an English translation from the Old Slavonic for you.

The Immaculate Conception was a devotion practiced even among Orthodox Christians during the Kyivan Baroque period.

They brought this from France where many went to study at the schools of Paris.

They wore the Immaculate Conception medal, organized themselves into Church brotherhoods and prayed a version of the Panaghia prayer: O All-Immaculate Theotokos, save us!

They also took the "bloody vow" that is, to defend to the death the Immaculate Conception of the Mother of God.

I don't know how this devotion came to be among the Orthodox, but it was there.

At one time, the Latin Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary, St Bonaventure's "Psalter of Our Lady" and, of course, the Rosary were practiced even by Orthodox bishops in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries in Eastern Europe.

St Tikhon of Zadonsk himself had a version of the Stations of the Cross in his cell, the only icons he had there.

Believe it or not . . .

Alex

Hi!

I think that the Orthodox Exarchate of Mexico has a tropar for the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe. I'm surprised and happy to see that byzantine christians as well as some Russian orthodox people are very interested in this advocation of our lady and the icon is revered by both catholics and orthodox.

The Orthodox church in the village of Orjabyna [Jarabina], Slovakia has a prominent icon of Our Lady of Guadalupe on a side wall.

Dear Remie,

Our Lady of Guadalupe is a beautiful image of the Mother of God and is part and parcel of the religious heritage of Mexico and Latin America, as you know better than I.

It is very popular among Ukrainian Catholics especially and some parishes place a copy of this image on the Tetrapod for the veneration of the faithful.

I understand that Bl. Juan Diego will be canonized by the Pope next year, along with Bl. Padre Pio - great news!

Alex

"'The Virgin is one of us - the Indians!
Our Pure Mother! Our Sovereign Lady! She
is one of us!' Thus cried the Aztec Indians
who were first priveleged to behold the
miraculous painting of Our Lady of Guadelupe.
Yet, strangely enough, when a Russian Orthodox
priest, Fr. A. Ostrapovim, Dean of the Chair of
Church Archeology in Moscow, and unacquainted with
the history of Our Lady of Guadelupe, was
presented with a copy of this picture for
appraisal, he replied that it is an icon,
definitely of the Byzantine type and presumably
of Eastern-Asiatic origin. It was his opinion
that the painter of this Icon from the very
severe canons of icon painting and introduced
much of himself into it."

~from the essay "The Iconography of Guadelupe"
by Dom. Columban Hawkins. O.S.C.O.
["A Handbook on Guadelupe"/Franciscan Friars
of the Immaculate].

Actualy Mexicans believe that the icon of Our Lady of Guadalupe was not painted by human hands.
It's said that the original icon didn't have the moon and the figures that can be seen at the bottom of the image, and that the Spanish fathers enriched the image with some details without modifying the original icon in a radical way, according to the Mozarabic style, which had been influeneced by the eastern iconography.

Those who live or have been in New Mexico (the most important religious sanctuary of Mexico after Mexico City), like Chimayo, Santa Fe, Taos and San Fernando (the place where the last Mexican patriots were hanged by the Angle invaders in 1847) would notice that the architecture and the iconography of some churches (those that were not poluted by the barroque style) is very eastern, with painted images and icons (not statues).

If any did find a tropar for Our Lady of Guadalupe--could you share it with us? I think there'd be some interest in having it posted here.

Many thanks!

Dave Ignatius DTBrown@aol.com

The 2001 Typikon of the Byzantine Ruthenian Church provides the following which it states are proposed Liturgical Texts developed by the Metropolia's Inter-Eparchial Liturgical Commission:

Troparion, Tone 4: When you appeared in the New World, O Mother of God, * you fixed your image on Juan Diego's rose-laden tilma. * All the poor, hungry, and oppressed seek you, O Lady of Guadalupe. * We gaze upon your miraculous icon and find hope, * crying out to your Son concealed in your womb: * Hear our plea for justice, O Most merciful Lord.

Kontakion, Tone 7: No longer shall the New World lie wounded in useless blood sacrifice, * for she who is clothed with the sun has revealed the Son to us. * O Mother of the Americas, imprint His name upon our hearts, * just as you wove your image into the cactus cloth. * Teach your children to cry out: * O Christ God, our hope, glory be to you.

Muchas gracias!

Dave Ignatius DTBrown@aol.com

As a Mexican-American and a member of a Byzantine Catholic parish, I have a particular interest in devotion to Our Lady of Guadalupe among Byzantine Catholics.

The Ukrainian Catholic monks of Holy Transfiguration Monastery in Redwood Valley, CA have for many years celebrated the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe. They have composed their own tropar and kondak for use on Dec 12th. They are as follows:

TROPAR (TONE 1)

O Holy Lady, Virgin of Guadalupe, Mystical Rose and Queen of America,/you came to bring the peace of Jesus and to take our cares into your loving Heart./ Therefore we venerate your glorious image/ as a sign from God Himself/ that you protect us and pray for our souls.

KONDAK (TONE 4)

O Virgin Mother, your mantle covers all the Americas/ and your miraculous image proclaims the glory of God./ Make our wintery hearts blossom with roses of repentance and love,/ and allow us to place them in the crossing of your arms/, that you may carry them to Christ our God/ and beseech Him to grant us His great mercy.


God bless you all!,

Griego Catolico (formerly known before the server crash as Byzantino)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:


>>I understand that Bl. Juan Diego will be canonized by the Pope next year, along with Bl. Padre Pio - great news! <<

Dear Alex,
Hi! How are you? I hope you are doing well, my friend.
I just returned a few days ago from a three week stay in Mexico, and I can tell you the Mexican press is reporting that the Vatican will announce on Dec. 20th the acceptance of the miracle required for Blessed Juan Diego's canonization.
According to what I have heard, the miracle occurred on the very day of Juan Diego's beatification when His Holiness, Pope John Paul II was in Mexico for the beatification.
A young man had been suffering from a terrible addiction to drugs and attempted suicide by jumping from a building. He was hospitalized in grave condition with serious trauma. His mother invoked the intercession of Juan Diego to save her son's life. The man not only was healed from his life-threatening injuries, but was also healed of his addiction to drugs! Now, I can't confirm the accuracy of this report, but if it is accurate, then what a miracle!!!
It is hoped that His Holiness will visit Mexico again to canonize Blessed Juan Diego at the basilica in Mexico City. The Mexican people have such an intense love for the Pope, and it would be spectacular for the Pope to visit Mexico again and canonize Juan Diego on Mexican soil.

God bless you,

Griego Catolico (formerly known as Byzantino)

Dear Griego Catolico (formerly Byzantino),

What tremendous news and thank you for sharing the details of that miracle!

I too have a great devotion for Our Lady of Guadalupe. My other two favourites from the South are Our Lady of Prompt Succor and Our Lady of La Leche in St Augustine in Florida.

As an aside, there are a number of western Images of Our Lady that became so popular in the East that they are now listed as official miraculous Icons of the Orthodox Church.

The icon of Horodyschensk is actually Our Lady of Mt. Carmel in a former Carmelite monastery now in Orthodox (good) hands. They call her the "Theotokos of the Scapular" or, in Russian, "Shkapliernaya."

May all Eastern Christians warmly welcome Our Lady of Guadalupe among their favourite devotions to the Mother of God!

Alex

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Remie:

I think that the Orthodox Exarchate of Mexico has a tropar for the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe. I'm surprised and happy to see that byzantine christians as well as some Russian orthodox people are very interested in this advocation of our lady and the icon is revered by both catholics and orthodox.

Dear Remie,
About two years ago, I e-mailed the OCA chancery regarding the devotion of Orthodox Christians to Our Lady of Guadalupe.
The response from them was that while there are images of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Orthodox parishes in Mexico and in the United States, the Orthodox Church has made no declaration regarding the apparitions or the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe. They do venerate the image as a cultural image of Our Lady.

God bless you,
Griego Catolico

Christ of the Hills Russian Orthodox Monastery(ROCOR) in Blanco, Texas sells an "Orthodox version" icon of Our Lady of Guadalupe, under the title, "Holy Tilma of Tepeyac". This icon can be seen in its catalogue the monastery puts out. The icon comes in two sizes: XL 9"x12" ($35.00) and D 11"x17"($45.00). The cataolgue # is V610. The prices may have changed. For more info contact:
Christ of the Hills Monastery
New Sarov
PO Box 1049
Blanco, Texas 78606-1049
Tel.# 830-833-5363
Fax: 830-833-5813

The fact is that the aparitions of Our Lady of Guadalupe can not be seen as a "property" of the roman catholic church, and this is the view of some people (Fortunately not the mayority). The Mexican people were evangilized by the panish Fathers who were catholics but in Alaska the Russians brought the christian faith.
We should celebrate the aparitions as something that confirm the christian faith in America and not the confirmation of the "roman catholic church" in Mexico.
I know the OCA has tried to develop as a church with tides to Moscow and the East but also with our country (we celebrate the "all saints of North America" don't we?).
Regarding the miracle, there have been hundreds of miracles by John Diego (in almost 500 years) and if Rome didn't want to canonize him, it was because they didn't want to have a conflict with the old atheist government and because the Party infiltrated the churches with priests and even bishops who denied the aparitions in order to "destroy the superstitious practices" (don't you remember Mr. Willhem Schulemburg, the former abbey who had tides with he DDR and the USSR, the old mexican government named him abbey). That was very sad.