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And there are members of this forum who do not think the Church is in a crisis. Ha! The next Pope might allow women priest. If that happens I guess the Orthodox were correct the Pope is not infalliable.

http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7192890%255E401,00.html

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I believe Vatican II has already settled the issue - NO WOMEN PRIESTS. No pope can change the tenets of an Ecumenical Council. The cardinal's comments here are the private beliefs of a private theologian. If he becomes Pope (and that's a big IF, if he's liberal!), he can't just go in there and make an ex cathedra statement to change Church Doctrine on an issue that has already been settled. You do understand the concept of infallibility only relates to statements made ex cathedra, right?

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In my experience, the Dutch/Belgian, German portion of the Church seems to have some weird ideas-Pax et Bonum.

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I highly doubt he will be the next pope. Usually those predicted to be pope are never elected.

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The next Pope might allow women priest. If that happens I guess the Orthodox were correct the Pope is not infalliable.

Johan, I have admired a lot of your posting. I think you lack Faith, however, when you say things like this. It is impossible for a Pope to allow women priests. It will not happen. That is the Faith.

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Glory to Jesus Christ!

Rome allowing women clergy is tantamount to committing ecclesial suicide. It would not only signal the death of the Post-Conciliar Latin Church, but would drive Eastern Catholics into communion with the Orthodox and sever any serious ecumenical relations Rome may have had or would have with the ancient Orthodox Patriarchates.

That "Cardinal" is insane.

Tu Es Petrus!

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Why does the Vatican allow these "insane" Cardinals to continue to speak there mind?

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Ha Ha! Finally, some good news!

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The Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, has been barred from conducting communion services in 350 Church of England parishes because of his support for women priests, according to a report in the Sunday Times.
http://www.cwnews.com/news/storytools.cfm?task=print&recnum=24581

Maybe that "insane" Cardinal needs to become an Anglican. We could have a Church swap. Liberals go to the Anglican Church and Christians to the Catholic Church. smile

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Slava Isusu Christu!

I am sure this Cardinal will try to "explain" that he did not really "mean" that the Roman Church should have women priestesses. The move in Rome is clearly toward Tradition and not the other way around. This is just another blip on the ecclesial EKG Chart. This guy obviously knows Church Teaching, but chooses to flagrantly tout utter nonsense. The ordination of women to the Apostolic Church of Rome, in any of the three orders, will NEVER happen. For a Pope to approve women in Holy Orders would take an ex cathedra proclamation; it is a teaching of the Catholic Faith that a Pope would not be allowed to do this by the Holy Ghost. Case Closed.

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Not that I wish to defend Cardinal Daneels but I think he may not have been calling for women priests at all but simply that women be allowed to have more power in the administrative roles or governmeental roles without necessarily becoming priests....

Just my thoughts....

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I agree with Peregrinus. The wording of the article says "appointing" women to the clergy as opposed to "ordaining" them to the diaconate or the priesthood.

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And if it did happen, who is to say it wouldn't be the work of the Holy Spirit? Hmmm... maybe the more "progresive" Catholics aren't the only "cafeteria" Catholics? Don

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Dear Johan S:

Unless there's a way for you to post the unredacted interview of Cardinal Danneels, the Metropolitan Archbishop of Mechlin-Brussels, Belgium, we are just indulging in mere speculations here. mad

Your initial post is riddled with non-sequitors. :p

Thus, your comments about the Pope and the Catholic Church are unfair.

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And now for the real story...

http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=38935

The Cardinal Daneel's is calling for women to be given Diocesan and Roman Curial posts not ordination to sacred orders.

Johan it would be wise to check your sources and wait for a credible one before you make accusations.

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It's also important to remember that "the Pope has no army". It's kind of a no-win situation - when he comes down with a heavy hand and punishes someone (like Hans Kung), he's accused of being a "reactionary" and "hard-liner"; when he gives someone the benefit of the doubt and time to repent, he's accused of being "weak" or "ineffectual".

It's a tough job - I sure wouldn't want it!!

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