Preamble:

It seems that there is more effort to silence the varied opinions of late....

Since this problem will not go away by closing threads, WHY o WHY do we even bring it up then???? Yes, I'm upset by this habit of closing threads just when things start to resolve.

Now on to my reply that I couldn't make due to the last thread being closed!

Anyway,

Lemko, you wrote:
Why do I have the feeling that the "revised Liturgy" that Van Nuys has resembles in NO WAY the "revised Liturgy" of Passaic?

I have no problem with reading (preferably chanting) the Anaphora aloud, but all
those other "silent prayers" at the ends of ektenias and before other doxologies,
RECITED in plain voice no less, are really a trial. This is one "experiment" that
should have been terminated as soon as it began, before the rats started fleeing
the lab.

(This rat wandered back into the lab yesterday morning, and between the butchered Slavonic pronunciation of the choir, the endless recitation of priestly prayers, "With wisdom let us profess our Faith", the lay readers reading the epistle from the ambo, the dozen servers stuffed into a tiny sanctuary (talk about the over-clericalization of the Liturgy!) and 75% of the clueless "Byzantines" kneeling in a parish that has followed the "no kneeling on Sundays"
custom for over 20 years, I've about had it.)

Steve, surely these aren't the same "revisions" that you're dealing with... please
tell me they aren't!

Lemko,

Since we don't use much slavonic out here any more , it's hard to hear butchered slavonic!
Also us lay readers read from the center of the church facing the altar, only 4 servers can fit comfortably in our sanctuary, the anaphora prayers and everything else is chanted, and no kneeling on Sunday.
So, in a word or three "No, not exactly"

Steve

I like the way that we do it out west,I have studied the book on the Divine Liturgy by Basil Shereghy and I think that in our Eparchy we are getting closer.

I came late into this conversation -- WHICH church are we talking about?? I'm in Gilbert, AZ, and I too think we are coming closer to the Tradition (with a capital "T", thank you very much!) of the liturgy out here in the west!!

Most all of this discussion was from a now closed thread which centered on the cathedral parish in Pittsburgh (Munhall) and the rumors of promulgation of a 'new' liturgy on Sept 1.

I do notice that in the Van Nuys Eparchy many of the liturgical 'changes' that seem to be such an issue in the PIttsburgh eparchy are already in effect and have been for some time. The only real difference is the use of the new translation of the Liturgy which is currently only used regularly in the seminary and at the arch cathedral.

Steve

The original thread which started all this discussion:
http://www.byzcath.org/bboard/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001146

"The only real difference is the use of the new translation of the Liturgy which is currently only used regularly in the seminary and at the arch cathedral."

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Actually, Steve, this is only partially correct, so please forgive me for correcting you. The new translation of the Divine Liturgy was authorized for use at the Byzantine Catholic Seminary by Met. Judson (may his memory be eternal). At the Cathedral in Munhall, the only portion of the Divine Liturgy which is sung from the new translation (again, having been authorized by the Metropolitan before his death)would be any changeable parts of the service (troparia, kontakia, prokeimena, etc.). Otherwise, the translation used at the Cathedral is completely 1965 Liturgikon.

(Prof.) J. Michael Thompson
Byzantine Catholic Seminary
Pittsburgh, PA

Prof. Thompson,

Thank you for the clarification. I was under the impression by what Frank C wrote that ALL of the new liturgy was being sung at the Cathedral in Munhall. This put much of his diatribes in a new light.


Steve