Robert Sweiss,

Your opinions on these matters are among several on a spectrum that can be considered Orthodox. So I can't say you're not Orthodox. But I can and do say your behavior on this Catholic forum is rude.

XPNCTOC BOCKPECE!

http://oldworldrus.com

Robert wrote:

"My last words to you..."

Anyone want to put that to a vote?

Gordo, sfo




[This message has been edited by Dozier (edited 05-06-2000).]

To you all,
Get used to me. I am but a thorn in your sides until you and your fellow sympathizers repent of Catholicism. If you don't want to engage me I would suggest that you keep your opinions of me to yourselves. I would also highly suggest to remain focused on the issues that have been raised rather than on me. If you desire to be treated like children then it shall be. However, I am not interested in your persons. I am interested in acknowledging errors and having others do the same and coming to the truth. This topic began with John Chizmar claiming to be Orthodox and Orthodox in communion with Rome. There is only one word for this false description: lies. All in favor of these lies are yourselves. Why doesn't anyone ask any Orthodox Bishop (not in communion with Rome) if the Uniates and their church are Orthodox?

Robert,

It has nothing to do with any personal dislike for you. It probably has more to do with your constant obsessive barrage against us... over and over and over and over and over again.

I'm sure that you have been a guest before in someone's home...and I'm sure that in most cases, you are a respectful guest. I see this forum as - in its own e-way - our e-living room. You are welcome to come in, and post your agreements and disagreements...but respectfully. (If you have been following the various posts re: CCC and others, you can read how, even among ourselves there can be respectful disagreement.)

I once referred to you as an e-bully with a keyboard. I have yet to see anything which changes my opinion. I am a person who appreciates thoughtful directness in conversations. I'm not afraid of the truth, nor of those who wield "powerful words" charged with hate...and there seems to be no shortage of those in your posts.

In fact, I recognize that you are an individual who believes that you can add more weight to your argument in syllables instead of substance. And by constant repetition, perhaps you assume that you can overwhelm and exhaust our faith. Sort of a new Orthodox "Power Evangelism"! But your posts have become, in the very least for me, an item to be passed over...or at most, an annoyance.

So if your goal is to evangelize us, I'm afraid your manner has only managed to render your efforts impotent.

If you are serious about wanting to be part of our conversation, I recommend a hearty apology for being such an ungracious guest.

Otherwise, I stand by my call for a vote.

Peace,

Gordo, sfo

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Dozier,
You have only proved my point again that this forum has a tendency to focus upon me when you and the others purposely ignore the topic. If I wanted entertainment I would have gone to the circus. You speak of respect. What about respecting me by answering my questions and focusing on the topic? This should not be about me but on the errors of uniates identifying themselves as Orthodox. This has been a circus show of live entertainment where the monkeys, donkeys and lions are out of control. I should probably know better than to enter a zoo because one cannot have a live and intelligent discussion without the animal sounds of distractions. At times I feel the impact of the jungle and focus in trying to find my way out but become trapped with the rest of the funny animals. Some have accused me of making rude remarks while they rudely ignore and evade the questions on hand. If this negative attiude of yours keeps up I will go ahead and bring others like yours truly into this forum for more entertainment. People like yourself have proven to me that they love entertainments.
So you shall have it.

To Robert Sweiss --

Your last post to me was more temperate than I have seen in quite a while. I find it interesting that you are willing to call Protestants, whom I consider to be in serious heresy, as merely heterodox. You do likewise for our Catholic brethren. I find this a bit more refreshing.

You know, one can be heterodox out of a sincere but misguided attempt to follow our Lord. I think that if the foundation is laid in Christ and Eucharistically, one at least can built an edifice on that foundation, even if it turns out in the Great Judgement Day that the edifice was pretty crooked.

I said in another post that I feel that the truth that Christ would have us to know, the foundation He has for believers is His Real Presence in the Eucharist. I am so serious about the need for true Eucharist that I am praying and seeking to leave the Anglican Church I attend over serious and deep concern for the validity of their orders. This is no small matter, given the words of our Lord in John 6.

Robert, if in Hebrews we are told that earthly things are a pattern of the true in Heaven, and if there is but a single Head in Heaven, then why is it impossible that there be a single head here on earth? I have been reading Jurgen's FAITH OF THE EARLY FATHERS and the deference to the office of Peter is there at a very early stage.

Furthermore, if the Bishop of Rome (to use your terminology) has no jurisidiction outside of Rome, how is it that Pope Agabus (spelling?) went to Constantinople, deposed a heretical Montanist bishop, and no one even questioned his right to do so? I find this most interesting.

Perhaps it is not so much the idea of the Church having one Prime Minister over it, subject to the Magisterium, but some of the doctrines that have come from the See of Peter and the way that the Catholic Church has run roughshod over some Orthodox jurisdictions in "Latinizing" them, taking churches and taking other actions which were not Christlike.

If so, this must be where you and the Orthodox Church are faced with the task of forgiving those who have offended you.

By the way, would you please define "created grace" for me? I have never heard that term before and haven't a clue as to what it means.

Brother Ed

Defensor Fidei

>>>This has been a circus show of live entertainment where the monkeys, donkeys and lions are out of control.<<<

Somebody get me another beer !

Joe Prokopchak
Hospodi Pomiluj !!

Moderator,

I'm surprised at the tolerance that has been shown toward el sicko Robert Sweiss. I think it is time to pull his chain. I vote to ban him.

Dan Lauffer

Moderator,

I second Dan's vote.

XPNCTOC BOCKPECE!

http://oldworldrus.com

I escaped. I've been "hanging out" at the United Methodist web-site. My brain cells are saturated with heresy! They have some really interesting forums but, the participation seems to be pretty anemic. (I'm serious.)---RS___Please,sir,this bludgeoning is terrible on the spiritual life. Doesn't bring me an iota closer to the Savior;do your homework and express your opinion but, be a gentleman. you're a guest in someone else's home. I'm upset about the division between the two families(fueding?) that comprise the Holy Catholic Faith but, there is a much better way to work for the truth and unity(or union?) than your current "style." Too, too abrasive. I don't...I don't...like the way the Vatican very often, in history, has treated the Eastern Catholics like they were unwanted step-children but,how do you know there isn't hope for the future? You live totally(on this issue) in the past. Where is your faith in the Holy Spirit? Look at the plethora of martyrs and saints God, our dear patient God, has blessed the Roman Church with. These are indisputable facts that even the most bigoted mind(if fully functional) could not deny. As a fellow "orthodox"(It just dawned on me! You probably don't even consider Mar Thoma Christians "Orthodox." In that case, just call me an "Uniate.") I share some of your wounds and they are still open and painful. But the current Holy Father, show me his crimes, where is his guilt? I think it is time for all of us who are Orthodox to leave this forum and allow the Byzantines to be what they are without any calumny from those of us who are too blind to see the beam in our own eye. If you die tonight, what will you say to the Almighty and Merciful(Very Merciful)Lord about your visits to this site? Please read the Sermon on the Mount!