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Erdogan calls Christian Byzantium "a dark chapter" in history

Istanbul, May 30, 2013

The prime minister of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called the time of Christian emperors in Byzantium "a dark chapter" in history. In Erdogan's view, in the fifteenth century, after invasion of Constantinople by Muslims, began "the time of enlightenment," reports Kath.net.

The speech of the conservative Turkish prime minister was made during the laying of the foundation of the new road bridge over the Bosphorus in Istanbul that took place on May 29--the anniversary of Ottoman invasion of the Byzantine empire 1453.

“We are continuing to write the history today," said Erdogan during the ceremony.

The Turkish authorities have celebrated the anniversary of the victory over Byzantium by a series of festivities.

http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/61896.htm
Dear Sister Alice,

Erdogan must have been raised in Germany since he's a real "Jerk!" mad

I pray that we may all meet one day in Aghia Sophia in Constantinople to celebrate the Divine Liturgy and reverence the miraculous weeping columns in our common Mother Church.

Alex
The Grand Ignoramus of Turkey is merely following standard "Religion of Peace" usage. Pre-Islamic Arabic history is officially referred to as the Period of Ignorance. This, of course, is the very period when the better part of Greek learning was translated into Syriac and thence into Arabic. Would we had more such 'dark periods' in our history!
Originally Posted by Orthodox Catholic
Dear Sister Alice,

Erdogan must have been raised in Germany since he's a real "Jerk!" mad Alex


I'm sorry, brother, but I find that statement as bad and as foolish as anything said by the one to whom it is directed.
How long, O Lord? I hope the Pope Emeritus is not reading this forum. In any case, I'm out. frown

Erdogan can persecute Christians if he wants. He's a good NATO ally, and that's all that matters.
Well with his attitude the Turks can probably forget about EU membership!
Dear Utroque,

I doubt if the Pope Emeritus will read this . . .

I apologise profusely for giving offense.

Please don't leave here. I am the one who should leave and will leave now for good.

Shouldn't have come back - my diabetic condition gets the better of me. But that isn't an excuse.

Sorry, once again. This is the last thing I wanted to do. Take care, one and all.

Alex
Originally Posted by Orthodox Catholic

Please don't leave here.

Alex,

I would say the same to you.
Originally Posted by Orthodox Catholic
I doubt if the Pope Emeritus will read this . . .


I doubt it, too, but I think you got my point. Catholic or Orthodox, Baptist or Lutheran, if we fail to be Christian in our responses to what we perceive, and often is, unjust treatment, then we fail indeed.

"You have heard it said to the Ancients..."

Pace e Bene!

Utroque
I agree..
OK, I'm very happy you haven't left, Utroque!

Some of my best friends are "Young Turks," you know!

There is a real problem when someone of the statue of Erdogan speaks like that about Byzantium, would you not agree, especially when Turkey wants to enter the EU.

And, yes, "jerk" isn't a word someone should use as it is rude and in very bad taste (my Kozak ancestors are probably turning over in their graves right about now . . .).

It's bad enough that the Byzantine tradition was villified in the West (with its very own Borgias and the like). The Byzantine empire was quite civilized (for one thing, it never expanded its existing boundaries by military conquest). That, er, "Turkish gentleman" doesn't seem to know an enormous amount about Byzantine history . . .

What about "Turban Cowboy?" wink

Please stay on. It's time for old fellows like me with barely a leg to stand on to retire. Cheers,

Alex
Alex, a bit off topic, but you are over your limit on private messages and can't be contacted. Some of us would like to know how you are doing, if you are well, and what is going on with you, since we haven't heard from you in some time.

Charles
Originally Posted by Orthodox Catholic
And, yes, "jerk" isn't a word someone should use as it is rude and in very bad taste (my Kozak ancestors are probably turning over in their graves right about now . . .).

Oh, is that what Utroque was complaining about? I thought he was referring to your negative comment about Germany.
Dear Peter - you Rock!

Well, now I'm confused about it all . . . confused

My reference to "jerk" was part of that old quip that goes: "What do you call someone born in Germany but raised in Turkey? A 'Jerk' (Gerk)." I use a similar quip on myself all the time - half Polish, half Ukie = "Pukie."

Yesterday, Erdogan called the protesters some name that means "vandals" and that got the protesters' "Irish" up . . .

Many more thousands took to the streets with signs playing on that word.

I guess I'm not the only one who needs to be careful about what he says! grin

Alex
Dear Charles,

Happy White Rose Day!

I don't think I'll be getting my PM privileges back any time soon . . .

It's hard to believe but I was something of a trouble-maker (guilty as charged) before I left last time.

What would you like to know?

Alex
No offence ever intended against Germany as both my grandmothers (and some of my very best friends) were/are German!

Gruss Gott!

Alex
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What would you like to know?

Alex


Oh, you know some of these forum people are just too easily excitable. LOL. Just wondered about your health, since I remembered the diabetes. I hope you and your family are well. If not, prayers for you.

Charles
Originally Posted by Orthodox Catholic
Dear Peter - you Rock!

Well, now I'm confused about it all . . . confused

My reference to "jerk" was part of that old quip that goes: "What do you call someone born in Germany but raised in Turkey? A 'Jerk' (Gerk)." I use a similar quip on myself all the time - half Polish, half Ukie = "Pukie."


No, I don't think you're confused ... I never heard that joke before, so I thought Utroque was speaking in defense of Germany -- which possibly he was if he never heard the joke either. smile
Dear Charles,

Thank you for asking sir! My diabetes is under control, but it has caused a few complications such as foot trouble (when I was here before, my foot was frequently in my mouth, as you will recall). My mother had her leg amputated and is in a wonderful seniors' home that has a magnificent Byzantine Chapel of Sts Cosmas and Damian where she can wheel herself into every day.

God bless you sir!

Alex
Dear Peter - you Rock,

The fact that you haven't heard that joke before is something that I don't blame on the Byzantine Forum. CAF perhaps, but never the Forum! grin

And someone born in France but raised in Greece is a . . .Freek!

Cheers,

Alex
Originally Posted by Alice
Erdogan calls Christian Byzantium "a dark chapter" in history

Istanbul, May 30, 2013

The prime minister of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called the time of Christian emperors in Byzantium "a dark chapter" in history. In Erdogan's view, in the fifteenth century, after invasion of Constantinople by Muslims, began "the time of enlightenment," reports Kath.net.

The speech of the conservative Turkish prime minister was made during the laying of the foundation of the new road bridge over the Bosphorus in Istanbul that took place on May 29--the anniversary of Ottoman invasion of the Byzantine empire 1453.

“We are continuing to write the history today," said Erdogan during the ceremony.

The Turkish authorities have celebrated the anniversary of the victory over Byzantium by a series of festivities.

http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/61896.htm

Erdogan doesn't seem to be celebrating much as of late.
Is Mr. Erdogan considered a "neo-Ottoman"? It seems that him and his political allies are anxious to extend Turkish reach again in more than economic matters.

Kosovo polje!
* that he.

Wow grammar takes a hit in the Navy!
Originally Posted by Alice
Erdogan calls Christian Byzantium "a dark chapter" in history

Istanbul, May 30, 2013

The prime minister of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called the time of Christian emperors in Byzantium "a dark chapter" in history. In Erdogan's view, in the fifteenth century, after invasion of Constantinople by Muslims, began "the time of enlightenment," reports Kath.net.

The speech of the conservative Turkish prime minister was made during the laying of the foundation of the new road bridge over the Bosphorus in Istanbul that took place on May 29--the anniversary of Ottoman invasion of the Byzantine empire 1453.

“We are continuing to write the history today," said Erdogan during the ceremony.

The Turkish authorities have celebrated the anniversary of the victory over Byzantium by a series of festivities.

http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/61896.htm


A "Dark" chapter?? The dark chapter is the Islamic invasion of Constantinople and coerced conversions into Islam.

Agia Sophia was a Cathedral. A Christian place of Worship. Today its a mosque. They removed all images and destroyed this huge building in trying to convert it to a mosque.

Mr Erdogan, if you are reading this, the DARK HISTORY is today, and what Islam is doing today: Sunni's and Shia's killing each other. I can buy T-Shirts of Osama Bin Laden on it in pakistan, for goodness sake.. and you dare to call the Byznatium period a "dark" chapter??

Having said that, whilst Sunnis and Shias are killing each other in the name of their allah god, let us unite in the Name of Our God. Let's learn from History at the very least:

United we stand. Divided we fall.

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