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Posted By: Roman Interloper Weird Iconostases - 08/02/12 08:29 PM
I chanced across this today while web surfing...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/phool4xc/59629457/

...the strangest iconostasis I've ever seen.

Can anyone top it?
Posted By: Rybak Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/02/12 09:06 PM
The church is in Bhamdoun, Lebanon but I could not tell by a quick internet search if it is an Orthodox, Greek Catholic, Maronite, Armenian or other type of church.

I wouldn't call it "weird" as, no doubt, many might be offended by that characterization. It is different and non-traditional.

In my travels I have seen some Orthodox and Greek Catholic churches, which have been built in say the last 30 years or so, that have icon screens much like these. Perhaps it is from some misguided impulse to "fit in" or to be more "relevant" - whatever the latter might mean in a Christian context.

I have even seen glass icon screens, if you can imagine that. Personally, they disturb me.
Posted By: Pavel Ivanovich Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/02/12 10:22 PM
Transfiguration Church, Bhamdoun, Archdiocese of Mount Lebanon. Antiochian Orthodox.

cool
Posted By: jjp Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/03/12 12:33 AM
I think St. Paul's Orthodox Church in Irvine has an interesting iconostasis.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimforest/2957830696
Posted By: Rybak Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/03/12 01:08 AM
St. John the Baptist Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in Ottawa is almost, but not quite, iconostasis-less:

http://www.st-john-baptist-shrine.ca/docs/interior.htm

It does reflect a trend in some of the newer Greek Catholic churches in Canada, which I mentioned earlier.
Posted By: Erie Byz Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/03/12 04:10 AM
A few good candles and the first wouldn't be so bad.
Posted By: griego catolico Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/03/12 05:20 AM
Originally Posted by Rybak
I have even seen glass icon screens, if you can imagine that. Personally, they disturb me.


The glass iconostasis from St. Anne Ukrainian Catholic Church in Warrington, PA.

Video and photos.

Posted By: Francois Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/03/12 01:48 PM
Rybak,

This picture is old. There is a decent iconostasis right now in the church. The problem with St-John Baptist is that they seem to update the website pictures every 10 years....
F
Posted By: Michael_Thoma Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/03/12 02:03 PM
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=45273.0
Posted By: DMD Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/03/12 03:55 PM
Just out of curiosity - how is this trend in any way consistent with the teachings of Vatican 2 regarding the patrimony of the Eastern churches? Stuff like that perplexes us Orthodox.
Posted By: Roman Interloper Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/03/12 05:51 PM
What trend do you mean? Some of these images are of iconostases from Orthodox churches, not Catholic churches. In any event, I don't imagine individual Byzantine Rite Catholic parishes refer to contemporary Roman Catholic trends when designing or decorating their worship spaces.
Posted By: Rybak Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/03/12 08:34 PM
The trend toward the "contemporary" rather than the traditional in sacred art and architecture. Yes, it does also affect some Orthodox parishes.
Posted By: jjp Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/03/12 08:47 PM
Indeed, the "contemporary" impulse is not limited to the Catholic Church, unfortunately.
Posted By: griego catolico Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/04/12 12:47 AM
Holy Resurrection Orthodox Church in Cleveland, Ohio, has an iconostasis made entirely of Monastery Icons.

Here it is as shown in its catalog:

Page 50
Page 51
Posted By: griego catolico Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/04/12 10:38 PM
Holy Trinity Orthodox Church in Hajnówka, Poland has an interesting iconostasis.
Posted By: Rybak Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/04/12 11:40 PM
Funny thing is that there really is no Holy Resurrection Orthodox Church like this in Cleveland, Ohio. If you look closely at the photos in the catalog, it looks like the "church" has been staged in a larger warehouse or something. We all know, from the numerous forum discussions about the entity known as Monastery Icons , that this fake organization is up to no good and seemingly will do whatever it takes to sell their garbage.
Posted By: Irish Melkite Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/06/12 06:40 AM
Originally Posted by Rybak
Funny thing is that there really is no Holy Resurrection Orthodox Church like this in Cleveland, Ohio.


Rybak,

Actually, there MAY be, but it's not a canonical church - if it's indeed the one pictured here. There is a parish, so titled, of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church of North & South America - SOBORNOPRAVNA. Its mailing address is 3593 Westpark Road, Cleveland, OH 44111 - that doesn't appear to be its physical location though, judging by google map street views.

Many years,

Neil
Posted By: Roman Interloper Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/06/12 01:17 PM
Originally Posted by Rybak
Funny thing is that there really is no Holy Resurrection Orthodox Church like this in Cleveland, Ohio. If you look closely at the photos in the catalog, it looks like the "church" has been staged in a larger warehouse or something. We all know, from the numerous forum discussions about the entity known as Monastery Icons , that this fake organization is up to no good and seemingly will do whatever it takes to sell their garbage.


That makes sense. I've seen that promo in their catalog and have marvelled that any self-respecting Orthodox church should elect to have its iconostasis outfitted with those Disney-like commercially mass-produced pictures from Monastery Icons. Pardon me, but they look like cartoons. I've never cared for their products.
Posted By: Rybak Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/06/12 06:13 PM
Neil,

Right, it does not appear on Google maps. Perhaps I should have said no "real" Orthodox church by that name. I think there is more than one UOAC "jurisdiction" operating parishes which pop up and then disappear in various parts of the country. Its just too hard to keep up with all the nonsense these fakes are up to - something that has been discussed on the forum many times.

I do not doubt the Monastery Icons group would be behind the charade of setting up a fake church to sell their stuff. It would fit in nicely to their marketing plan.
Posted By: griego catolico Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/07/12 06:29 PM
Years ago, I remember seeing a photo of a very odd looking iconostasis in a coffee table book on the Catholic Church.
Instead of icons of Christ and the Theotokos on either side of the royals doors, statues of Jesus and Mary were placed. I believe there were lights bulbs used to surround the statues.

Oh, if only I could remember the title of that book!
Posted By: Black Coffee Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/08/12 02:28 PM
The Polish Church looks nice, the others...not so much.
Posted By: JimG Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/08/12 08:17 PM
Black Coffee. Greetings from San Antonio. Where in Texas are you?
Posted By: Chtec Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/09/12 02:07 PM
The "Orthodoxy in America" site has the following info:

Holy Resurrection Church
Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia
6201 Detroit Ave
Cleveland, OH 44102
216/651-2879

However, the ROCOR directory does not list this parish. Since the photo has been in Monastery Icons catalogs for many years now, perhaps this parish has since closed?

Fr. David
Posted By: Irish Melkite Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/10/12 07:36 AM
Originally Posted by Chtec
The "Orthodoxy in America" site has the following info:

Holy Resurrection Church
Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia
6201 Detroit Ave
Cleveland, OH 44102
216/651-2879

However, the ROCOR directory does not list this parish. Since the photo has been in Monastery Icons catalogs for many years now, perhaps this parish has since closed?

Fr. David


Bless, Father David,

Google Maps street view shows an onion-domed church at the address. I can't get sufficient resolution to read the exterior sign, but it's fairly obvious that it's no longer serving as an Orthodox church.

An interior shot shows the framework of an iconostasis in place but w/ the icons replaced by what appear to be either white or translucent panels w/ silhouette profiles of people painted on them. The interior is full of blue and white balloons at ceiling level.

Comparing the iconostasis framework in the photos associated with the Google Map with that in the MI catalog, they aren't the same. The one at the former ROCOR parish is taller and has rounded frames, versus the MI one, comprised of rectangular and square frames.

See: https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/54299925 and https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/54299991

Many years,

Neil
Posted By: griego catolico Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/10/12 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by Irish Melkite
An interior shot shows the framework of an iconostasis in place but w/ the icons replaced by what appear to be either white or translucent panels w/ silhouette profiles of people painted on them. The interior is full of blue and white balloons at ceiling level.

Oh, how terrible! shocked cry
Reminds me of what has happened to Saint Vibiana's, the former cathedral of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.

http://www.vibianala.com/
Posted By: Chtec Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/10/12 05:56 PM
Adding to the collection of weird iconostasia, here is one in Hungary:

https://picasaweb.google.com/102410724108066446994/Templombucsu2011LiturgiaEsKormenet

I once saw a photo of a similar stained glass iconostas in Romania, but I can't seem to find it again.

Fr. David
Posted By: JimG Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/13/12 11:51 AM
Apparently weirdness, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
Posted By: Roman Interloper Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/14/12 07:05 PM
Here's an odd one...

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/56430701

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/56429634
Posted By: Our Lady's slave Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/14/12 07:26 PM
Are we deliberately going looking for unusual [ a much better term than weird ] Iconostases ?
Posted By: Rybak Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/14/12 08:15 PM
Roman,

I think the Ukrainian church you link to features icons in the "folk icon" style. Many people really like that style.

The other issue with that church is that it was formerly a non-eastern church. It is almost always challenging to try to remodel a western style church building into an eastern one.
Posted By: chadrook Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/15/12 05:08 PM
I would have to say this is the least appealing church I have ever seen. Just look up.





http://www.groca.org/?page_id=2500
Posted By: StuartK Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/15/12 08:11 PM
The Greeks had a flirtation with Church in the Round back in the 1970s. St. Katherine's in Falls Church, VA, is one example of this unfortunate genre. I think it proves pretty decisively that Byzantine worship is inextricably tied to Byzantine- and Byzantine-derived architecture. Hagia Sophia casts a very long shadow.
Posted By: Chtec Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/15/12 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by chadrook
I would have to say this is the least appealing church I have ever seen. Just look up.

http://www.groca.org/?page_id=2500


Personally, I don't find the architecture or the iconostas unusual. However, the icons (which have been less-than-affectionately called "cave paintings" by more than one person) are what make the whole space seem strange. Imagine that same interior with good iconography--wow!

Fr. David
Posted By: Alice Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/15/12 11:08 PM
I don't mind it that much, nor do I mind the church that much...art is definitely subjective. I love the use of the gold, and the modern rendition of the classical chandeliers of Mt. Athos and Aghia Sophia in Constantinople.

However, I do not like the particular rendition of Christ's face on the dome..but maybe that is just me.
Posted By: Irish Melkite Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/16/12 10:49 AM
Agreeing with Father David, I don't find the temple itself objectionable (though my preference isn't for a circular design) but the iconography does nothing for me. I agree with Alice as to the rendition of Christ's face but would extend the same comment to the majority of the Apostles surrounding it - almost all (save one, as I recollect) reflect very similar, distorted (and not merely 'unworldly' or 'unrealistic' as might be typically expected) facial expressions.

Many years,

Neil
Posted By: Roman Interloper Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/17/12 01:56 PM
I actually think that last church is kind of cool looking, for lack of a better way of expressing myself at the moment. I suppose I prefer something more traditional for the most part, but I notice that when Byzantine worship spaces combine modern architecture with astounding and bold magnifications of traditional elements, as this church does, some amazing effects can be achieved.

I have noticed, too, that, for the most part, Byzantine/Orthodox churches have more success with modern church architecture and design than do Roman Catholic churches. Roman Catholic churches usually end up doing modern remarkably badly. This may be precisely because Byzantine churches adorn their modern designs with traditional art, whereas Western churches usually end up modernizing their art, also, to match the modern architecture.

I've been to an Antiochian Orthodox church, locally, that is of the "in-the-round" design and clearly built in the 60s or 70s. If it were a Roman Catholic Church it would be dismal. But being an Eastern church, the interior is wholly adorned with traditional iconography, cleverly harmonized with the design of the interior, including a handsome iconostasis. The interior enjoys something of a timeless atmosphere, therefore, despite the otherwise dated architectural design of the place.
Posted By: Roman Interloper Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/21/12 04:29 PM
Just when you think you've seen it all: a Roman Catholic iconostasis...with statues...

http://ad-orientem.blogspot.com/2010/09/roman-catholic-iconostasis.html

Posted By: Roman Interloper Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/27/12 05:57 AM
Iconostases without icons (Western art instead):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/www-grkat-net/1115213989/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hejma/6265691285/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hejma/5869963083/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/iks_berto/3963129149/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/47678913@N04/4425258824/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hejma/5431288767/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/48947180@N05/4716795009/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hejma/5772537249/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jup3nep/883314881/

I found all of these images here...

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/tags/ikonostas/interesting/

...which is worth a perusal; there are some magnificent church interiors featured on this webpage.
Posted By: Chtec Re: Weird Iconostases - 10/16/12 04:56 PM
Here is another one for the list:

http://3oko.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ikonostas2.jpg

I want to know what you do if the power goes out!

Fr. David
Posted By: Our Lady's slave Re: Weird Iconostases - 10/16/12 05:56 PM
Pray ?

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Posted By: Slavipodvizhnik Re: Weird Iconostases - 10/24/12 02:12 AM
A bit busy, but impressive.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: Slavipodvizhnik Re: Weird Iconostases - 10/24/12 02:16 AM
Refectory Church at Pechersky Lavra, Kiev

[Linked Image]
Posted By: 8IronBob Re: Weird Iconostases - 10/24/12 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by griego catolico
Holy Resurrection Orthodox Church in Cleveland, Ohio, has an iconostasis made entirely of Monastery Icons.

Here it is as shown in its catalog:

Page 50
Page 51


Looks like I'll have to give that one a visit if I'm ever out and about again.
Posted By: 8IronBob Re: Weird Iconostases - 10/29/12 12:16 AM
Anyway, I was watching on YouTube. It looks like there's what looks like a temporary iconostas at a Chinese UGCC. Not entirely sure. If only I could learn Cantonese, this wouldn't be too hard for me to pick up on. I'm assuming this is a new Church in that part of the world?

http://youtu.be/qv61r5YtWNQ

Also, it's something that they have girls serving at the altar, too. That kind of goes against tradition.
Posted By: Our Lady's slave Re: Weird Iconostases - 10/29/12 07:57 AM
oh dear frown Where's Ed when you want him frown

My understanding of this , from this video is that the parish mentioned is in fact RC and was hosting this Liturgy which was served by Fr Kenez , visiting from Australia.

The Iconostasis is clearly a set of moveable screens , and I don't expect they are in use normally in this Church - well not as an Iconostasis anyway.

Girls servers - yes - vested in albs which they probably are, when serving at Mass.

Come on - how many Eastern Catholics are there in Hong Kong ?
Posted By: Edward Yong Re: Weird Iconostases - 10/29/12 04:59 PM
i am here! as i recall, that's an RC church in Hong Kong, and the DL was a once-off special event. the chief celebrant was indeed Fr Oleksander Kenez of Melbourne, of the Ukrainian GCs.
Posted By: 8IronBob Re: Weird Iconostases - 10/29/12 08:35 PM
I suppose you're right. I'm surprised that Chinese government would even allow it. Although I'm sure that Taiwan might have Greek-Catholicism more often than mainland China.
Posted By: Edward Yong Re: Weird Iconostases - 10/30/12 02:33 AM
That happened in Hong Kong, and Hong Kong is a free as any global city in these matters. Permission was neither sought not required.
Posted By: 8IronBob Re: Weird Iconostases - 11/17/12 02:26 PM
Ah, okay. Sweet.
Although I'm not sure how many Ruthenian clergy were along the Pacific Rim, though, since when I think about the Carpatho-Ruthenians, most have come to this country, mainly to Pennsylvania and Ohio. However, had this been introduced to Hong Kong, I'd like to know how Cantonese would sound in Prostopinije Chant. That would have been interesting. Maybe they'd have to learn Old Church Slavonic in order to make the RDL work correctly.

I know this was all off topic now. However, in terms of iconostases here in this area, I have seen some weirder than others. Now I noticed on YouTube with St. George's Orthodox Church in Taylor, PA, that their Royal Doors are kind of inverted from how most designs are, since the arch is concaved into the Royal Doors, as opposed to the right-side up arch that would be found in most parishes. Not too sure if this was what separated the Carpatho-Ruthenian Orthodox style with the Ruthenian BCC style of Royal Doors.
Posted By: Pavloosh Re: Weird Iconostases - 11/19/12 11:20 AM
Carpatho-Ruthenians? Since when?
I've been told it's not Carpatho-Rusyn, but it's Carpatho-Russian and to shut up about it.
Posted By: Fr. Deacon Lance Re: Weird Iconostases - 11/21/12 09:56 PM
Originally Posted by Pavloosh
Carpatho-Ruthenians? Since when?
I've been told it's not Carpatho-Rusyn, but it's Carpatho-Russian and to shut up about it.


All three are acceptable and don't believe anyone told you to shut up about it. He informed you why Carpatho-Russian was sued by ACROD.
Posted By: Fr. Deacon Lance Re: Weird Iconostases - 11/21/12 10:45 PM
That should read "used by ACROD."
Posted By: 8IronBob Re: Weird Iconostases - 11/21/12 10:46 PM
LOL *SUED* by ACROD. I'm wondering how well that would have went in court had that term been brought up as a legal issue.
Posted By: Irish Melkite Re: Weird Iconostases - 11/24/12 11:45 AM
To answer the seeming question raised regarding the numbers of Eastern Christians in the Pacific region, there is increasingly significant Eastern Orthodox representation (from several EO jurisdictions) in the area and several pockets of Eastern Catholicism, albeit the latter are unfortunately not yet well-served pastorally.

In addition to our brother and friend Ed (one of the oldest continuously posting members of this forum), ByzCath proudly boasts among its membership EO and EC faithful who harken from from Malaysia, The Philippines, Singapore, Indonesia, Japan, and other sites in the region - as well as American, Canadian, and Australian members whose ancestral roots are in those countries.

Many years,

Neil
Posted By: 8IronBob Re: Weird Iconostases - 11/24/12 02:22 PM
True. The Philippines were indeed the most influenced from the Catholic faith in the whole region. Although I thought South Korea had quite a few Christians among their ranks, too.
Posted By: 8IronBob Re: Weird Iconostases - 01/13/13 03:05 AM
Originally Posted by Chtec
The "Orthodoxy in America" site has the following info:

Holy Resurrection Church
Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia
6201 Detroit Ave
Cleveland, OH 44102
216/651-2879

However, the ROCOR directory does not list this parish. Since the photo has been in Monastery Icons catalogs for many years now, perhaps this parish has since closed?

Fr. David


I think it might be... That used to be the old St. Mary's Romanian Orthodox Church before they moved to Warren Road, I think. Now I'm not sure, but I thought the Cleveland Public Theatre had that property now.
Posted By: 8IronBob Re: Weird Iconostases - 01/13/13 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Edward Yong
i am here! as i recall, that's an RC church in Hong Kong, and the DL was a once-off special event. the chief celebrant was indeed Fr Oleksander Kenez of Melbourne, of the Ukrainian GCs.


Yes, and thank you. This seems to be the idea that a Ruthenian Church had here, this was last year's Divine Liturgy held at a Roman Church from them (St. Joseph's BCC DL at St. Basil's RCC): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Hb_OSXlis

Seems like I'm going to be at this year's, weather permitting.
Posted By: Pani Rose Re: Weird Iconostases - 01/16/13 06:21 AM
Ed Klages had made a beautiful set of icons for a portable iconastasis when the Ruthenian mission was active in Knoxville TN
Posted By: 8IronBob Re: Weird Iconostases - 01/21/13 09:51 PM
Now from weird iconostases, to perhaps the best looking iconostases I've seen, and I think these are almost identical... Now here's the iconostasis from the ACROD Cathedral of Christ Our Saviour in Johnstown, PA, which, imo, is certainly quite one of the prettiest I've seen to date:

[Linked Image]

Compare this to the iconostasis from the Byzantine Catholic Cultural Center in Tremont neighborhood here in Cleveland, Ohio:

[Linked Image]

I'm not sure what kind of style these are based from, but I like the ivory "rope" look to these. I'm guessing this was more traditional than the wood iconostases?
Posted By: 8IronBob Re: Weird Iconostases - 01/26/13 05:45 PM
Watching through some YouTube videos, I'm not sure if the iconostasis was linked from here in this thread or not, but I've never seen deacon doors with that "half-circle" icon look before. This is from St. Melany in Tuscon, circa St. Nicholas Day, 2008:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKXk6HxibLE
Posted By: dbeuscher Re: Weird Iconostases - 01/27/13 01:46 PM

This is the iconostasis at Sts Cyril and Methodius in Fort Pierce, FL. (My parish) Here is a link to our facebook page.

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Posted By: Irish Melkite Re: Weird Iconostases - 01/28/13 01:36 AM
dbeuscher,

I fixed the FB link (img links don't work from FB as best I can tell). I was going to fix the link to the iconostasis as well, but couldn't find the photo on the FB page.

Many years,

Neil
Posted By: 8IronBob Re: Weird Iconostases - 02/06/13 11:42 PM
I find this rather odd. It seems like the iconostasis and altar are on a high school stage. Not sure if this is temporary, or if this actually was the church, this is from St. Michael's Ukrainian Orthodox Church:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaTsnXyOhSo

Not sure where this is located, though.
Posted By: 8IronBob Re: Weird Iconostases - 02/07/13 01:16 AM
Addendum to my last post...

NOW I see why they are on a stage with a temporary iconostasis and chairs, etc... I think it was this St. Michael's. I forgot that it was this one: http://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/388464/Accidental_blaze_damages_St_Mi#Post388464
Posted By: Chtec Re: Weird Iconostases - 07/22/13 10:54 PM
To revive this thread, a particularly unusual icon screen from a Greek Catholic church in Romania:

[Linked Image]

http://www.grecocatolicvlm.cif2.net/

The use of giant hands for Royal Doors is, to put it mildly, creepy!

Fr. David
Posted By: Fr. Deacon Lance Re: Weird Iconostases - 07/23/13 09:28 PM
Especially since they look like the hands of Vlad Dracul reaching up from the grave. Is this parish near Castle Dracula?
Posted By: Two Lungs Re: Weird Iconostases - 07/24/13 12:30 PM
Originally Posted by Fr. Deacon Lance
Especially since they look like the hands of Vlad Dracul reaching up from the grave. Is this parish near Castle Dracula?


Well, at least we are back to the title of this thread. laugh

Weird, indeed!
Posted By: 8IronBob Re: Weird Iconostases - 08/04/13 01:47 PM
Originally Posted by Chtec
To revive this thread, a particularly unusual icon screen from a Greek Catholic church in Romania:

[Linked Image]

http://www.grecocatolicvlm.cif2.net/

The use of giant hands for Royal Doors is, to put it mildly, creepy!

Fr. David


Hmm. Perhaps I might want to look at St. George's Romanian Cathedral or at least St. Helena's Romanian Byzantine Church to see what their iconostases are like. Sounds interesting.
Posted By: Nataly Re: Weird Iconostases - 06/28/14 03:48 PM
Back to this theme again. For the first time in my life I was amazed of the absence of taste and artistic intuition of an Italian!!! artist. This artist (her name is Lisa Gannerini) is not afraid to place her work into the main place in the middle (altar), makes an awful copy of the famous Rublev icon of the Trinity and surround her bacchanalia with copies of Giotto's masterpieces. I'd never thought before that Italians could create such a kitsch frown
Watch the first part of the video and have a rest to your eyes, enjoy the beauty of Giotto's paintings, because from the 2:20 minute you will be awaken... shocked and surprised.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B36JowhHQ0
Posted By: Mark R Re: Weird Iconostases - 06/30/14 01:33 PM
For all of her pedigree of artistic patronage, has the Roman Catholic Church fostered anything of artistic merit...by that I mean having merit according to secular tastes as well...since, I don't know, Baroque or Mannerism? I find this a real blot on her heritage. Of course, we have to bear in mind that some of what the secular realm considers art has in some ways been debased for some time, but not as long as the Roman Catholic Church's aesthetic losing streak. BTW, I do appreciate some modern art and architecture, but not all of this translates well to religious subjects or inculcates worship.
Posted By: Alice Re: Weird Iconostases - 06/30/14 01:58 PM
The music was positively beautiful, angelic, heavenly--such beauty in worship can only be inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Can't say much about the art, other than the beautiful Giotto iconography.

The medieval period (Catholic) in art was mostly if not predominantly religious and in my opinion, it was a shining star...a period where one can actually 'feel' the holiness when walking through museums and churches done in this period's style.

Mark: I particularly like Gothic--I think it was a high period and shining star of religious aesthetic of the Catholic church. One can still feel awe when walking into a traditional Gothic cathedral.

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