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Now maybe I'm looking at this from the audience perspective more than anything...but with the Great Fast less than a week away, and parishes hold these as early as Monday night, I think it would be a great idea for those to explain the importance of these, and how these would bring a healthy congregation (good luck with these tough, secular times).

Now, two questions come to mind right away:

1. How often during the Great Fast period should one attend Presanctified Liturgies? At least once? Once every week? As often as a parish holds them?

2. Would this help to evangelize and strengthen the Church during the Lenten season? Would this bring people in to pray and repent that wouldn't otherwise?

I'm certain that these would be good questions to answer. Now I know that the key parts to it are the Eucharistic Adoration (of course one should adore the precious and holy body and blood of Christ all the time, anyway, but especially during the holiest of holy seasons), the need for repentance and cleansing of sins, and to have deep, close prayer with the Divine Lord.

Now, having said all this, if there is anything that one should know about Presanctified Liturgies, and how important this role plays throughout the Great Fast, feel free to add anything, or correct anything about this issue. Especially if there are those that attend these coming from the Latin Rite, or those coming from other backgrounds, it is good to know what's expected. With that in mind, let's hear from our fellow brethren about this holy time of the year upcoming.
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.but with the Great Fast less than a week away


Crazy how fast it got here this year!

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1. How often during the Great Fast period should one attend Presanctified Liturgies? At least once? Once every week? As often as a parish holds them?


I think a good starting point for Great Fast observance is to attend one extra service a week (outside of Sunday). This is the advice of my spiritual father and pastor of the Ruthenian Church in San Diego. I can think of no better service than the Presanctified Liturgy to attend for that one extra a week service.


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2. Would this help to evangelize and strengthen the Church during the Lenten season? Would this bring people in to pray and repent that wouldn't otherwise?


I can think of no better liturgical service in the Byzantine tradition. The beauty of the service always brings me to repentance. That being said, I am not sure that it is the first service of our Tradition that I would suggest for an inquirer. I would think Vespers or a Sunday Divine Liturgy is better for catechism and evangelism.

I also think having an adult enrichment (or catechism) class during the Great Fast, with Vespers or the ninth hour (as is the practice at my parish) does well for catechism, evangelism, and getting people to pray and repent.

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Now, having said all this, if there is anything that one should know about Presanctified Liturgies, and how important this role plays throughout the Great Fast, feel free to add anything, or correct anything about this issue.


This article on Orthodox Wiki gives good background on the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts.
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Eucharistic Adoration is a key part?
No, it's not part of the Eastern Christian Tradition. Many Eastern Catholic Churches adopted it, in whole or in part, but it has been almost totally suppressed as part of ongoing gelatinization.
Originally Posted by StuartK
ongoing gelatinization.


Best typo ever.
"Eucharistic adoration" makes many eastern Christians hyperventilate. Should you replace those words with "awe during the procession of the Eucharist" you would have received less resistance. smile
Glory be to Jesus Christ!!

I thought that Presanctified DL was only served on Wednesday and Friday of the Great Fast. Russian practice begins on Wednesday prior to the Sunday of Orthodoxy; Greek practice begins after Annunciation Day. I'm confused about a Monday because I've never heard of that outside of it being the Presanctified for the Forty Holy Martyrs of Sebastia. confused

Bob
I can't find at the moment Pittsburgh particular law regarding Presanctified DL, but here is the text from Parma's particular law as promulgated by (then) Bishop Basil:

110.1. The Presanctified Liturgy is the prescribed Liturgy for Wednesday and Friday of the Great Fast and the Divine Liturgy is not to be celebrated on these days except for a funeral.
110.2. The Presanctified Liturgy is to be celebrated at least once a week during the Great Fast (Lent) in all parishes. It may be celebrated on any weekday (Monday-Friday) during the Great Fast. (bold print is my emphasis. pb)

I trust this will be helpful.

Fr Deacon Paul
Originally Posted by theophan
Glory be to Jesus Christ!!

I thought that Presanctified DL was only served on Wednesday and Friday of the Great Fast. Russian practice begins on Wednesday prior to the Sunday of Orthodoxy; Greek practice begins after Annunciation Day. I'm confused about a Monday because I've never heard of that outside of it being the Presanctified for the Forty Holy Martyrs of Sebastia. confused

Bob


Well, in the Ruthenian tradition, the first day of the Great Fast, which is a Monday, obviously, is usually marked by an initial Presanctified DL, so that everyone is adjusted into the Great Fast.

Kind of like Ash Wednesday in the Latin Rite, that's the first day of Western/Roman Lent, and therefore, the Mass to mark the first day, receive their ashes, and begin their fast, prayer, and almsgiving after that.

I think that might be why most Ruthenian parishes will hold their first Presanctified DL on the Monday night after Cheesefare Sunday, so that we are given the reminder that the Great Fast has started, and that we are called to be holy, and solemn during that time.
Originally Posted by JDC
Originally Posted by StuartK
ongoing gelatinization.


Best typo ever.


LOL. Love it.
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Well, in the Ruthenian tradition, the first day of the Great Fast, which is a Monday, obviously, is usually marked by an initial Presanctified DL, so that everyone is adjusted into the Great Fast.


I do not believe this is the Ruthenian tradition. While many may have a Presanctified Liturgy on the first day of the Great Fast doesn't make it our Churches tradition. I would think our Church would follow the Slavic practice (or maybe even the Greek practice) of when to celebrate (traditionally) the Presanctified Liturgy.

Our parish is having Vespers on Clean Monday and will have our first Presanctified Liturgy on the first Friday of the fast. (our temple will host a Melkite Presanctified on the first Wednesday)


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Kind of like Ash Wednesday in the Latin Rite, that's the first day of Western/Roman Lent, and therefore, the Mass to mark the first day, receive their ashes, and begin their fast, prayer, and almsgiving after that.


I wouldn't compare the Presanctified liturgy to Ash Wednesday. I would say forgiveness vespers (or the service of forgiveness at the end of the Sunday Divine Liturgy) is our entry into the Great Fast and could be compared to Ash Wednesday.
How about "gelatinization" as the opposite of "delatinization"
The 52nd Canon of Trullo ordained that the Presanctified Liturgy be offered everyday of the Great Fast but Saturday, Sunday, and the Feast of the Annunciation when Divine Liturgy would offered.

It later became custom to offer it only on Wed and Fri of Great Lent as well as Thur of the 5th week of Great Lent, Mon, Tue, and Wed of Holy Week, and Feasts of Saints of Polyeleos rank like the 40 Matyrs of Sebaste and the Finding of the Head of St John the Baptist.

The new Liturgy of the Presantified Gifts book published by the Council of Hierarchs adds the Pure Monday.
Originally Posted by 8IronBob

Well, in the Ruthenian tradition, the first day of the Great Fast, which is a Monday, obviously, is usually marked by an initial Presanctified DL, so that everyone is adjusted into the Great Fast.


This is a new practice starting with the Council of Hierarchs 2010 publication of a new Presanctified book. Forgiveness Vespers served Cheesefare Sunday night is the first service of Great Lent.
Actually in the Greek tradition, Presanctified is served on Wednesdays of Great Lent, and Salutations to the Theotokos on Fridays.

On the first four Fridays of Lent, according to the current Constantinopolitan prac­tice, we chant the Service of the Salutations to the Theotokos at Small Compline. In the evening, we read Small Compline through the Creed, and then chant the Canon of the Akathist in its entirety, in each ode doing six troparia, including the eirmos as indicated:



From: www.goarch.org
Ah, all right. I was going by the schedule that Holy Spirit Parish here in Parma was using for the Presanctified DLs. Although since the priest (Fr. James Batcha) runs two different parishes, that could be a bit of confusion in which Presanctified DL is held where, when. Let's hope he will clear things up about it come this Sunday's DL, and during the spaghetti luncheon afterwards.
Tell me about Sat Vespers and Sunday Divine Liturgy

Sat Vespers is done in presanctified mode - DL Not - right?

Why is the Sat (sun) Vespers not done in a more festive melody vs presanctified.

The question could also be stated like

When do you do Presanctified melody (Mon -> Sat?) vs festive melody (Sun?)
I especially want to know this as far as READER SERVICES OF THE HOROS ...

If you conduct a reader service as Reader - IS IT DONE IN THE PRESANCTIFIED LITURGY MODE - without of course consecration etc.

This question is for all the hours
Originally Posted by haydukovich
Sat Vespers is done in presanctified mode - DL Not - right?


Wrong. Sat Vespers is done as normal.
Originally Posted by haydukovich
I especially want to know this as far as READER SERVICES OF THE HOROS ...

If you conduct a reader service as Reader - IS IT DONE IN THE PRESANCTIFIED LITURGY MODE - without of course consecration etc.

This question is for all the hours


The Hours are chanted recto tono as always.
Thank you Deacon Lance ...
So the next questions about Presanctified Liturgies is

Can they be celebrated Mon Tue Wed Th Fr?

Are they ever in our modern world of busy people?

Are Divine Liturgies celebrated DAILY - anywhere? Why not?

Well, just got the schedules of Presanctified Liturgies from Holy Spirit Parish and from St. John the Baptist Cathedral. It seems like Holy Spirit Parish is holding their first one tomorrow, but throughout the Great Fast, it appears Fr. James Batcha will be holding weekly Presanctified Liturgies Wednesdays at St. Nicholas Parish outside of downtown Cleveland, and Fridays at Holy Spirit Parish.

St. John the Baptist Cathedral will be holding Presanctified Liturgies on Wednesdays and Fridays. I suppose the thumb rule, on days of abstinence, these are the nights in which these are held. Not sure if it was set up that way in the Eparchy of Parma, but it seems to work.
I don't know of any jurisdiction that allows them outside the days I posted. In Greek practice it is common to only have Presantified on Wed night and doing Compline with Akathist Fri night.

Divine Liturgy is forbidden Mon-Fri of the Great Fast, Annunciation excepted. Outside of Lent, probably only in monasteries.
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