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Can You Baptize Yourself?

Posted By: Anna

Can You Baptize Yourself? - 09/06/18 11:02 PM

I know the answer is "no," a person cannot baptize himself, but I don't know why. What is the reason?
Posted By: theophan

Re: Can You Baptize Yourself? - 09/16/18 10:30 PM

Anna:

Christ is in our midst!!

When we are baptized, the priest incorporates us into the Church. He is already a member of the Church and delegated to be able to incorporate new members into the Body of Christ.

If one were to baptize oneself, what would one be incorporating oneself into? Seems like some sort of circular action with no reference to anyone but oneself, certainly no reference to Christ or His Saving Body, the Church.

Bob
Posted By: Little Green Coat

Re: Can You Baptize Yourself? - 10/19/18 03:43 PM

As I recall many years ago when I was a child we were taught that there were 3 "kinds of Baptism.

Water that the most familiar one to most people

Blood you are martryed before you can be Baptised

Desire you wish to be Baptized but there is no opportunity to be Baptized
Posted By: theophan

Re: Can You Baptize Yourself? - 10/23/18 02:54 PM

Little Green Coat:

Christ is in our midst!!

You are correct. However, none of the three do you do yourself. The first is done by the Church; the other two are works of the Holy Spirit and are not self in-corporations into the Christ--which the earlier poster asked about.

Bob
Posted By: The Nikonian

Re: Can You Baptize Yourself? - 01/07/19 07:10 PM

My answer is no you can not
Posted By: RyanOwens

Re: Can You Baptize Yourself? - 01/23/19 07:29 PM

Theophan is correct: one must possess the Spirit to transmit the Spirit, which is the act of Baptism.
Posted By: ajk

Re: Can You Baptize Yourself? - 01/23/19 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by RyanOwens
Theophan is correct: one must possess the Spirit to transmit the Spirit, which is the act of Baptism.
While Nemo dat quod non habet -- can't give what you don't have -- has its validity, it is nuanced in application:

CCC
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V. WHO CAN BAPTIZE?

1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.57 In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize58 , by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.59
[emphasis added]
Posted By: theophan

Re: Can You Baptize Yourself? - 02/13/19 11:14 PM

ajk:

Christ is in our midst!!

I think you miss the point of the question. While I agree totally with the citation from the CCC, the citation assumes that the one doing the baptizing is himself already baptized and thus able to incorporate another into the Body of Christ. Baptism is not some "stand alone" act. It is initiation into Christ, into His Church, into Him. The one doing the baptizing stands in the Person of Christ Himself since it is Christ Who incorporates each of us into His Body, the Church, through one of His members--usually clergy who have been ordained to do this; or by another member in an emergency.

So the question is "Can I incorporate/invite myself into a body if I am not already part of it?" Put another way: Can I invite myself to Thanksgiving dinner at the White House just because i want to do so? (Let me know how that works next November.)

Bob
Posted By: ajk

Re: Can You Baptize Yourself? - 02/15/19 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by theophan
ajk:
Christ is in our midst!!
I think you miss the point of the question.
I did not and am not addressing the question " Can You Baptize Yourself?" but the quote explicitly given:
Originally Posted by RyanOwens
Theophan is correct: one must possess the Spirit to transmit the Spirit, which is the act of Baptism.

Specifically:
Originally Posted by RyanOwens
... one must possess the Spirit to transmit the Spirit,...


Originally Posted by theophan
While I agree totally with the citation from the CCC, the citation assumes that the one doing the baptizing is himself already baptized

Actually, just the opposite:
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V. WHO CAN BAPTIZE?

1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.57 In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize58 , by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.59
[emphasis added]

Specifically:
Quote
... In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize...
[emphasis added]

Originally Posted by theophan
Put another way: Can I invite myself to Thanksgiving dinner at the White House just because i want to do so? (Let me know how that works next November.)
No need to wait until November, it's a poor analogy for baptism. And actually, regarding inviting, since we no longer enforce the Disciplina arcanii, anyone can attend the Eucharist-Divine Liturgy-Mass, uninvited (save by God's grace) to a thanksgiving (eucharistic) meal.
Posted By: Thomas the Seeker

Re: Can You Baptize Yourself? - 05/07/19 02:26 AM

Very shortly we will make our annual visit to the pool of Bethsaida.

I have long believed, taught, and confessed that we are as incapable of self-absolution (and Baptism is the ultimate absolution) as the Paralytic was incapable of self-locomotion.
Posted By: theophan

Re: Can You Baptize Yourself? - 05/19/19 06:51 PM

Christ is Risen!!

Following the situation in Ukraine where a group that has been labeled "self ordained" (and not wishing by any means to enter that argument), I believe that if one can self baptize, then one can certainly self ordain. And we all know what arguments that raises.

Bob
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