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#207033 - 06/19/06 06:55 PM
David Petras: Time For The Lord To Act: A Catechetical Commentary On The DL
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Author: David Petras
Title: Time For The Lord To Act: A Catechetical Commentary On The Divine Liturgy
Available from:
http://www.davidpetras.com
Byzantine Seminary Press
P.O. Box 7626
Pittsburgh, PA 15214
byzantinepress@aol.com
Since this book is relevant to the current discussion on the proposed revision of the Divine Liturgy I am creating this thread as a placeholder for specific discussions of the book.
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#207034 - 09/13/06 04:15 PM
Re: David Petras: Time For The Lord To Act: A Catechetical Commentary On The DL
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Father David
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My book"Time for the Lord to Act" has been released and is available now from the Byzantine Seminary Press. Individual copies are $ 10, for 10 or more copies, $ 8 per copy.
Fr. Dave
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#207035 - 09/15/06 01:54 AM
Re: David Petras: Time For The Lord To Act: A Catechetical Commentary On The DL
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Irish Melkite
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Perhaps Father David might indulge with a list of the book's table of contents or a brief precis of its scope, to satisfy those who otherwise are finding it difficult to restrain themselves from speculating as to content and scope.
Alternatively, I'd suggest that folks be on the lookout for a review of it (which will, shortly I'm certain, be posted somewhere on the web, on someone's blog if nowhere else) or wait for whomever first gets a copy to post some info here.
A string of posts asking or speculating about it will serve little purpose and won't survive. Your cooperation in this regard is anticipated and will be much appreciated.
Many years,
Neil
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"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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#207036 - 09/19/06 05:08 PM
Re: David Petras: Time For The Lord To Act: A Catechetical Commentary On The DL
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John Damascene
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I just finished skimming through the book. It appears to be a collection of Father David’s newspaper columns. There is nothing in the text that justifies any change to the Divine Liturgy.
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#207037 - 09/21/06 01:02 AM
Re: David Petras: Time For The Lord To Act: A Catechetical Commentary On The DL
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Pseudo-Athanasius
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Registered: 07/16/03
Posts: 513
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Dear John,
That's disappointing. I was hoping for a vigorous defense of the changes. I've read the newspaper columns already, and, although there is much of value in them, they aren't written in order to justify the new liturgy. I think we need such a justification.
In fairness to Fr. David, he's not necessarily the driving force behind the changes. But, if that's the case, whoever is needs to write a defense. Otherwise, it will be perceived as clericalism, and I think will be a bad thing for our Church. I hope I'm wrong.
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#217052 - 12/16/06 01:53 PM
Re: David Petras: Time For The Lord To Act: A Catechetical Commen
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Father Anthony
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I have taken the opportunity to obtain this book, and spent a great deal of my time plowing my way through it. I use the expression “plowing” because of the style and manner it was written has made someone who enjoys reading on the subject actually labor to finish one chapter at a time. For a book that is supposed to be catechetical in nature, the only thing it inspires is tedium and confusion.
Examples of what I am implying are the author can not finish any given point without completely abandoning the point and jumping to another and repeating the same cycle. There are no footnotes or annotations, so one must assume the author is either uninformed as to his material and can not properly make his point, or that the material and points he is attempting to be made are not able to backed up by any sources legitimately. In some paragraphs multiple points or issues are attempted to be made at the same time leaving the reader in outright confusion as to what the author’s point is initially.
Because of the lack of reference and footnotes, the author builds an extremely poor case for any of the liturgical points that he is trying to make. Any historical background laid out shows very little if any correlation as to the original sources (again without specific reference) he alludes to. For a book that is supposed to be catechetical in nature I find that it teaches very little about something that is as essential to the core of Byzantine Worship, as the Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom. The only portion that I would state is adequate is the glossary of the book.
I found the book to be rather disappointing in that I am sure the author could have given a better explanation being that his background is in theological education. Instead of paying for this book, I could only recommend that the members of the Ruthenian Metropolia instead withhold the funds that would be spent on this book, and instead to take a special collection in order to have someone with experience and knowledge in catechetical writing be employed and possibly give a good catechetical explanation. Maybe then the book can live up to its title, “Time for the Lord to Act”.
In IC XC,
Father Anthony+
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#217059 - 12/16/06 04:18 PM
Re: David Petras: Time For The Lord To Act: A Catechetical Commen
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Jim
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Registered: 08/02/02
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I am reading Fr. Petras' book currently. I believe that it requires slow digesting, perhaps a chapter a day or less, which would be in keeping with the fact that much of it appeared as a series of articles. Reading it in increments gives time to reflect on Father's message. I am finding it worthwhile. I suspect other Ruthenians may also, but it is definitely not light reading even if only about 144 pages of text.
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#217176 - 12/18/06 08:44 AM
Re: David Petras: Time For The Lord To Act: A Catechetical Commen
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Jim
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Registered: 08/02/02
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I am wondering how other Byzantine Catholics (Ruthenian) are responding to Fr. Petras' book as well. I found his discussion on Tradition as opposed to traditionalism very relevant to reflection on liturgical changes.
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#217182 - 12/18/06 10:10 AM
Re: David Petras: Time For The Lord To Act: A Catechetical Commen
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Father David
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Since it is known that I read the Byzantine Forum, I am noting only that I have seen Father Anthony's review of my book "Time for the Lord to Act." Since the review questions my personal writing style, ability to teach and scholarship, I feel that any response carries the danger of personal polemic. I am grateful to our Lord that so many have found it a valuable resource for their understanding of the Liturgy, and I pray that God will grant Father Anthony joy and all his blessings in the upcoming glorious feasts of His Birth and Baptism,
Fr. David
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