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#280127 - 02/25/08 05:24 PM
Re: Question about Greek Catholics in Dublin
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Serge Keleher
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Registered: 06/22/06
Posts: 2941
Loc: Dublin
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Yes, these "two groups" are one and the same. As soon as the Hieromartyr Nicholas was beatified, we adopted Saint Nicholas the new Hieromartyr, since in 1932 he offered the first known Greek-Catholic Divine Liturgy in Ireland in connection with the Eucharistic Congress.
Come and see us sometime!
Fr. Serge
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#285840 - 04/09/08 10:21 AM
Re: Question about Greek Catholics in Dublin
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Serge Keleher
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Registered: 06/22/06
Posts: 2941
Loc: Dublin
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Anyone who is closely familiar with the complete Divine Liturgy in any language will have no difficulty in following the Divine Liturgy here. There are usually a few copies of the Liturgy in English which I can lend to a linguistically challenged visitor for the duration of the service. If you alert me in advance I can provide you with the Divine Liturgy in parallel Church-Slavonic and Mandarin (you get to pay for the photocopying). Or Hungarian, or Albanian . . .
Fr. Serge
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#286318 - 04/15/08 07:44 AM
Re: Question about Greek Catholics in Dublin
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Doubting Thomas
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Registered: 11/02/07
Posts: 166
Loc: New York, U.S.A.
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Irish, eh?  Wonderful! Unfortunately I have not been able to learn any Irish, the resources for we of Irsh descent here in the States to learn our language are few and far between! I am sure the Divine Liturgy must sound very beautiful in Irish.
God bless and keep you....
Edited by Doubting Thomas (04/15/08 07:46 AM)
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#286378 - 04/15/08 04:16 PM
Re: Question about Greek Catholics in Dublin
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Edmac
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Registered: 10/21/07
Posts: 260
Loc: Brooklyn, NY
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I hear the translation was done by some Irish-American
archmandrite residing in Dublin. Wonder who it was.
It's been done into Cymric (Welsh) as well and is used (as far
as I know) in one Orthodox parish in North Wales (who use
Russian chant).
Now we need it done into Scots-Gaelic, Manx-Gaelic, Cornish
and Breton.
I have often wondered at the apparant fact that Irish seems to
have disappeared so quickly and thoroughly in the USA,
considering that a vast number of the Famine immigrants must
have spoken it and that most of them lived in compact communities
in big cities. I hear stories of people's old mothers saying their rosaries in Irish, but nothing more than that.
Edmac
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#286434 - 04/16/08 01:07 AM
Re: Question about Greek Catholics in Dublin
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Serge Keleher
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Registered: 06/22/06
Posts: 2941
Loc: Dublin
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Dear Doubting Thomas,
You live in New York and you think there are no opportunities to learn Irish? Look again - there are classes (day and evening) in several parts of the city as well as upstate. If you care to give me more information, I'll see what I can find for you in your specific area.
Beannachtai as Eireann!
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#286435 - 04/16/08 01:15 AM
Re: Question about Greek Catholics in Dublin
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Serge Keleher
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Registered: 06/22/06
Posts: 2941
Loc: Dublin
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Dear Edmac,
Alas, I don't know any of our priests who speak Scots-Gaelic, Manx, Cornish, or Breton. But we can look around.
Irish didn't really disappear in the USA, although it went into hiding. The famous (or notorious) "Irish" RC hierarchy in the States was about as Irish as Sri Lanka - they actively discouraged the retention of Irish. But one finds in families that the language persisted for quite a while. There were also pockets of linguistic resistance: Boston had an all-day radio program in Irish every Saturday for decades, and even a small Irish-language publishing house. Worcester has a colony of people from Achill who still speak Irish. New York when my father was a boy had a Sunday Mass with the Scripture readings, sermon, and announcements in Irish - the last of that generation died about ten years ago (my Aunt Kathleen, who never set foot in Ireland in her life, but who spoke Irish nicely).
As in Ireland, so in the USA there was a myth that to retain Irish meant poverty, indignity, and so on. Now the language is fashionable again, which is a decided improvement. Only yesterday I received a wedding invitation written entirely in Irish - and the prospective bride is Polish.
So it goes.
Fr. Serge
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#286467 - 04/16/08 07:57 AM
Re: Question about Greek Catholics in Dublin
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Edmac
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Registered: 10/21/07
Posts: 260
Loc: Brooklyn, NY
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We have two non-native Irish speakers in our congregation
in Manhattan, both of whom have at one time or another taught
it and should be able to help. Your profile says you are in
NY. Where?
Edmac
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#286470 - 04/16/08 08:17 AM
Re: Question about Greek Catholics in Dublin
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Edmac
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Registered: 10/21/07
Posts: 260
Loc: Brooklyn, NY
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Dear Father Serge: thank you,that is most interesting.
Which parish was it that had the Irish Mass?
To wander a bit off-topic, I understand from our mutual friend
Dave McLaughlin that there have been considerable revivals of
both Manx and Cornish, even though I had understood the latter
language to have died out completely. We have one gentleman
in the parish who has taught himself to read it, he being of
Corish descent. He said it was the most difficult language he
had ever studied, and he knows Latin, Classical Greek, German
and Arabic.
Edmac
Edmac
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#286624 - 04/17/08 02:45 PM
Re: Question about Greek Catholics in Dublin
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Matta
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Registered: 01/21/07
Posts: 152
Loc: Australia
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Thomas, there are many places on the net where you can learn Irish. The Irish universities and Gaelic Board offer several.
Here is one such for beginners: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/gaeilge/gaelic.html.
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#286671 - 04/17/08 11:35 PM
Re: Question about Greek Catholics in Dublin
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Irish Melkite
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Registered: 10/27/03
Posts: 3891
Loc: Massachusetts
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I am in western New York state, near Buffalo. We have a sizable Irish population here (people still fly the Irish flag in South Buffalo) but I do not know of any resources at this end of the state for learning Irish. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thomas,
UB offers 4 semesters of Irish. See IR 191 for info on the intro course.
Many years,
Neil
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"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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