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#285900 - 04/10/08 01:12 AM Serbian sanctus bells
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I was chatting with Popadija last night after Pre-Sanctified. To my surprise, she said that the Serbian Orthodox use the "Sanctus" bells. It was quite a shocking revelation.
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#285913 - 04/10/08 08:22 AM Re: Serbian sanctus bells [Re: Etnick]
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I am "cradle" Orthodox. Thus, I do not know Latin terminology. Can you please tell me about "Sanctus bells".
Thanks.
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#285917 - 04/10/08 09:05 AM Re: Serbian sanctus bells [Re: Halia12]
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I believe they are speaking of small, hand held bells or chimes that are rang in three short bursts during the chanting (lo mass recitation) of Holy, Holy, Holy leading to and with more during the consecration. There are also some short burst ringings around communion time. The idea is to focus the gathering’s attention.
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#285966 - 04/11/08 12:45 AM Re: Serbian sanctus bells [Re: Mykhayl]
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The bells are also indication of when to kneel, stand, etc.

At High Mass the sacring bell is rung thrice at each of the elevations and thrice before the Celebrant's communion. The ringing at the elevation was to alert the faithful to look up and adore Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. (The church bells may also be rung and on solemn occasions, in Latin Catholic countries, the military would fire cannons.) The ringing at the Celebrant's communion was to alert the faithful to the "consummation" of the Mass. After Holy Communion was more commonly distributed at High Mass (beginning in the 1950s) it was to alert the faithful to come to the communion rail.

At Low Mass, the sacring bell is rung thrice at the Sanctus to alert the faithful, who have all been sitting for the Offertory (before the invention of pews they would have been standing), that the Canon of the Mass is to begin and that they should kneel. It is then rung thrice at the elevations as described above. Finally, it is rung thrice at the Domine non sum dignus (as described above) to alert the faithful to come to the communion rail.
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#285978 - 04/11/08 08:44 AM Re: Serbian sanctus bells [Re: Byzantophile]
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On additional note on this subject: one of the reasons for bells is that as time passed, the majority of laity did not know Latin and often assisted at Mass by private prayer or the Rosary. The bells alerted them to re-focus their attention and mentally assist the priest at certain parts of the Mass (as ourline by Byzantophile).
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#286011 - 04/11/08 06:12 PM Re: Serbian sanctus bells [Re: mwbonline]
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Yes, I've experienced "sanctus" bells at a Serbian Liturgy.
It was a while ago.
I seem to remember them being rung at the Epiklesis among other times.
They also have some wonderful melodies.

Anyone know why their Patriarch wears a band around his kamilavka?
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#286013 - 04/11/08 07:28 PM Re: Serbian sanctus bells [Re: mwbonline]
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 Quote:
On additional note on this subject: one of the reasons for bells is that as time passed, the majority of laity did not know Latin and often assisted at Mass by private prayer or the Rosary. The bells alerted them to re-focus their attention and mentally assist the priest at certain parts of the Mass (as ourline by Byzantophile).


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Mostly if you were Irish. Most of the English Catholics (of the past) were well versed in Latin and could follow along. The Italians & Spanish can easily follow along seeing as Latin is very similar to their two languages and, before the 1910s, they would have pronounced Latin as they did their own languages. The Germans and Austrians would often have been singing hymns throughout (a.k.a. Deutsche Singmesse), and the French would have been listening to the organ play.
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#286051 - 04/12/08 05:34 AM Re: Serbian sanctus bells [Re: Byzantophile]
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I ring hand held bells during Liturgy, yes, in an Orthodox Church.
When you stop and think about the issue, bells are usually used in Orthodox services. These just happen to be hand held bells, not bells in a tower tolled with a rope.

Edited by Orthodox Pyrohy (04/12/08 05:43 AM)
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#286102 - 04/12/08 05:29 PM Re: Serbian sanctus bells [Re: Orthodox Pyrohy]
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I wonder why bells are rung during the various points of the Liturgy, e.g. the Symbol of Faith and the Irmos of the Theotokos?
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