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#286518 - 04/16/08 03:23 PM
Universal Devotions
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Lawrence
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Are there any that would be acceptable to both Eastern and Roman Catholics ?
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#286526 - 04/16/08 06:11 PM
Re: Universal Devotions
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Lawrence
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I'm thinking of public devotions, and most likely aliturgical.
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#286608 - 04/17/08 11:09 AM
Re: Universal Devotions
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Diak
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The late Holy Father John Paul II either offered or presided at the Akathist publically on several occasions. I believe the Akathist to be an especially efficacious and universal devotion.
FDRLB
From the Holy Father's words at one of these celebrations:
This evening, we are all pervaded with an inward joy, the joy of rendering praise to Mary with the Akathist Hymn, so dear to the Eastern tradition. It is a canticle totally centered on Christ, contemplated in the light of His Virgin Mother. For a full 144 times, this hymn invites us to renew to Mary the greeting of the Archangel Gabriel: "Ave Maria!"
We have retraced the stages of her existence and rendered praise for the wonders fulfilled in her by the Omnipotent: from the virginal conception, beginning of the new creation, to her divine maternity, to her sharing in the mission of her Son, especially in His suffering, death and resurrection.
Mother of the risen Lord and Mother of the Church, Mary precedes us and leads us to the authentic knowledge of God and to the encounter with the Redeemer. She points out to us the way and shows us her Son. In celebrating her with joy and gratitude, we honor the holiness of God, Whose mercy has done marvels in His humble handmaid. We salute her with the title of "Full of grace" and implore her intercession for all the children of the Church who with this Akathist Hymn celebrate her glory.
She guides us to contemplate, in the coming Christmas, the mystery of God made man for our salvation!
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#286648 - 04/17/08 06:37 PM
Re: Universal Devotions
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Lawrence
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Are there any devotions that originated with the Latin Church that would be acceptable in the East ?
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#286661 - 04/17/08 09:16 PM
Re: Universal Devotions
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Paul B
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The rites, chant, ambiance, and traditions, as well as entrenched separatism, are so strong that it would be difficult and controversial to try to make most services universal. We don't even make the Sign of the Cross the same! It's doubtful the East or West will accept a practice which was formalized after the Great Schism, so the rite, prayer or tradition would most likely be something which was common to both traditions before the break, or something which was not "formalized" or mandated by hierarchy of either Tradition in recent times.
After much thought, I propose that the Chaplet of Divine Mercy fits into the latter. The Chaplet was originated by Christ, not by hierarchy, and it originated in the Latin East (Poland) in a Slav country.
I believe that the Chaplet has a very Eastern spirituality. The first prayer "Eternal Father, I offer you the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of your dearly beloved Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, in atonement for our sins and those of the whole world."
This powerful prayer intuitively implies the Eastern understanding of theosis, that Christ became one of us so that we may be part of Him.
This offering, NOT to imply that it is similar to the offering by a priest at Consecration, is God's way of Gifting us in a fuller participation in His redemptive Mercy. This Mercy becomes omnipotent with engagement in this prayer.
The second prayer "For the sake of His sorrowful Passion have mercy on us and on the whole world" is a summation of our Etenia in all of our Liturgies, our Hospodi pomiluj, Lord have Mercy.
And of course, the closing prayer "Holy God, Holy and Mighty, Holy and Immortal, have Mercy on us and on the whole world" is beloved by the East.
The Chaplet was given to the entire world by Christ, not just to the West, not just to the East, but for all the Earth. God's Mercy is so boundless! Are we squandering His Mercy?
A bit weaker candidate for common prayer (in the Americas) is devotion to Our Lady of Guadalupe, Patroness of the Americas.
Just my humble opinion.
Fr. Deacon Paul
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#286668 - 04/17/08 10:13 PM
Re: Universal Devotions
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Fr David Straut
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Are there any devotions that originated with the Latin Church that would be acceptable in the East ?
Dear Lawrence,
I think that there are Latin devotions such as the Angelus, various litanies, and Eucharistic devotion with with no thinking Orthodox could disagree in principle. But part of an Orthodox mentality is not to innovate in any way. I can see great beauty in the Marian Antiphons, in the prayers of the Rosary (though the simultaneous meditations are indeed problematic), in the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, in the Divine Praises (though 'Blessed be her Immaculate Conception' is understood differently by the Orthodox), in visits to the Blessed Sacrament, in Novenas, etc. But to adopt them myself would seem a bit like moving my friend's cherished furniture into my house. Not a good fit here, though they went perfectly well in my friend's house.
I think SimpleSinner put it well in a post about a month ago concerning Greek Catholics adapting Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament to their milieu. It's just out of place. Greek Catholics who find it meaningful would do well to go to a Roman Rite parish to attend Benediction, not seek to Byzantinize it in their own parish. I don't think Roman Rite Catholics should start singing Akathists in their parishes either. They should join their Greek Catholic brothers in their parish for that particular devotion.
Just my thoughts.
Fr David Straut
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#287050 - 04/21/08 09:19 PM
Re: Universal Devotions
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Western Orthodox
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A number of ACROD members pray the Rosary on a regular basis. An OCA chapel has a reference to the Sacred Heart, controversial as the concept has been among some. The "Tale of the Five Prayers" in older editions of the Jordanville Prayer Book reflects devotion to Our Lady's sorrows.
Most Western Rite Orthodox pray one or more of: the Angelus, the Western Hours of the Breviarium Monasticum (Benedictine tradition), the Rosary, the Stations of the Cross, and Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament.
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