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#89502 - 11/21/03 01:30 AM
Re: Byzantine Hungarian Parishes - US
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Irish Melkite
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St John the Baptist in Trumbell, CT shouldn't be on the above list. The pastor there presently serves one of the other parishes on the list, in addition to St John's. I misread the initial posting and incorrectly listed both parishes as Hungarian, rather than just the one.
Probably no one else cares, but just in case someone is squirreling away the list for future reference.
Neil
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"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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#285208 - 04/03/08 12:39 PM
Re: Byzantine Hungarian Parishes - US
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Serge Keleher
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There was also a St. Joseph Hungarian Greek-Catholic Church, New Brunswick, New Jersey. Is it still there?
Fr. Serge
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#285249 - 04/03/08 11:14 PM
Re: Byzantine Hungarian Parishes - US
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Irish Melkite
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There was also a St. Joseph Hungarian Greek-Catholic Church, New Brunswick, New Jersey. Is it still there?
Bless, Father,
Yes - it celebrated its 90th anniversary in 2005, It's recorded on the list.
Humgarian Festival
Many years,
Neil
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"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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#285260 - 04/04/08 07:07 AM
Re: Byzantine Hungarian Parishes - US
[Re: Irish Melkite]
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Deacon El
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Christ is Risen!
There is a magnificent Hungarian museum now in Cleveland, the Hungarian Heritage Museum.
It is at the Galleria at Erieview, 1309 East 9th Street, in downtown Cleveland. The facility has plenty of space for their exhibits, and room for future growth.
There are a number of permanent exhibits, books, and gift shop. Additionally, exhibits and programs for various themes are presented throughout the year. Right now I believe they are doing a monthly seminar series on Hungarian folklore.
It is well worth the time and effort if you are ever in the area.
http://www.jcu.edu/language/hunghemu/
Deacon El
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#285842 - 04/09/08 10:34 AM
Re: Byzantine Hungarian Parishes - US
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Kahless
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Registered: 08/01/07
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Glory to Jesus Christ! Dicsoseg Jeszus Krisztusnak!
Also, I'm not sure it's politically correct, to describe Hungarian Greek Catholics as Magyarized Rusyns. I know for a fact it's not acceptable in my household, no matter how many Slav branches and twigs I can identify in my wife's family tree.
My family (well my maternal side anyway) is 100% Hungarian not "Magyarized Rusyns" - we have no relation whatsoever with Ruthenians/Rusnaks/Rusyns or the Carpathian Mountains besides the fact that we both share the Greek Catholic religion.
I have been told that today, many of the Hungarian Greek Catholics are descendants of Calvinist and Protestant sectarians, who converted to the Catholic Church through the Eastern Rite.
Indeed, my family was Hungarian Calvinist.
Edited by Kahless (04/09/08 10:39 AM)
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#285967 - 04/11/08 12:46 AM
Re: Byzantine Hungarian Parishes - US
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Priest's Grandson
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My family (well my maternal side anyway) is 100% Hungarian not "Magyarized Rusyns" - we have no relation whatsoever with Ruthenians/Rusnaks/Rusyns or the Carpathian Mountains besides the fact that we both share the Greek Catholic religion.
That's very interesting. My family considered themselves Hungarian and it's the language my father learned as a child here . . .
When I served in Naples, Italy, I met a Hungarian army officer who told me, "No, Kristof isn't a Hungarian name! It's Bulgarian."
Then there's the birthplaces of my grandparents: both towns are in Slovakia!
Given the constant border changes, how, other than family lore, can one be sure?
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#286044 - 04/12/08 02:23 AM
Re: Byzantine Hungarian Parishes - US
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Priest's Grandson
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What are the names of the villages? Some villages, especially in Zemplin(Zemplen)County were originally a Rusyn Greek Catholic village, then it became a Magyarized-Rusyn Greek Catholic village by c.1900 and then became a Slovakized-Rusyn Greek Catholic village after c.1930. This is what happens in border areas where cultural assimilation happens quite often.
X.B.! B.B.!
Ungcsertezs
Very good! I have Uppa's birthplace as "Sopkovce, Zemplin, Austria-Hungary." He was born in October 1889. My grandmother was born in Havaj in December 1892.
While we're on the subject, two of my father's older siblings were born in Kruzlova.
I'm able to locate all three towns on google maps . . . but there's one other town listed that I can't find. My oldest Aunt and Uncle were born in "Hacowa, Austria-Hungary" in 1914 and 1916. Since I can't find it, I'm assuming the name was changed, or the family notes have it spelled incorrectly . . . any idea?
Thanks,
Dave
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#286054 - 04/12/08 07:19 AM
Re: Byzantine Hungarian Parishes - US
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Ung-Certez
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What are the names of the villages? Some villages, especially in Zemplin(Zemplen)County were originally a Rusyn Greek Catholic village, then it became a Magyarized-Rusyn Greek Catholic village by c.1900 and then became a Slovakized-Rusyn Greek Catholic village after c.1930. This is what happens in border areas where cultural assimilation happens quite often.
X.B.! B.B.!
Ungcsertezs Very good! I have Uppa's birthplace as "Sopkovce, Zemplin, Austria-Hungary." He was born in October 1889. My grandmother was born in Havaj in December 1892. While we're on the subject, two of my father's older siblings were born in Kruzlova. I'm able to locate all three towns on google maps . . . but there's one other town listed that I can't find. My oldest Aunt and Uncle were born in "Hacowa, Austria-Hungary" in 1914 and 1916. Since I can't find it, I'm assuming the name was changed, or the family notes have it spelled incorrectly . . . any idea? Thanks, Dave
On the Perejda map of c. 1906, Sopokovce is shown as a Slovak Roman Catholic village, Havaj as a Rusyn Greek Catholic village, Kruzlova as a Rusyn Greek Catholic village. Never saw a village named "Hacowa". There is a village Hannczova, Golice County in Galicia on the northern side of the Carpathians. There also is a village " Maciova" in Nowy Sacz County in Galicia.
X.B.! B.B.!
Ung
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#286055 - 04/12/08 07:38 AM
Re: Byzantine Hungarian Parishes - US
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Job
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Registered: 11/01/05
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"My family (well my maternal side anyway) is 100% Hungarian not "Magyarized Rusyns" - we have no relation whatsoever with Ruthenians/Rusnaks/Rusyns or the Carpathian Mountains besides the fact that we both share the Greek Catholic religion."
Same here...Believe me, over the years I tried to find a Rusyn branch of the family tree...none to be found...the village my grandfather is from is still in Hungary (after the carving of the austro-hungarian empire)...and not found on any listing of "Rusyn Villages" that I have ever searched...yet it has a greek catholic church community...
Although, some hungarians did come to the Greek Catholic church from Calvinism. I would have to suspect not all did. (In regards to my family it wouldn't surprise me if they did but I have no knowledge 1 way or the other on that.) Either way, ethnic Magyars (although they are surely the minority) did come to the Eastern Church on their own accord due to various reasons. It's like if 200 years from now it was said that Orthodox Christians in America are ethnic and only those from the major protestant conversions were the americans who embraced Orthodoxy. That would be completely off base. But due to the large numbers it would be easy to "paint with that broad brush".
In regards to Theophalos...
Your right, it would not be politically correct to refer to your in-laws as Magyarized Rusyns...although there are many signs to that effect! 
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