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#293546 - 06/28/08 03:22 PM
Solemn Vespers at St Paul's Without the Walls
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Edited by Latin Catholic (06/28/08 03:26 PM)
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#293549 - 06/28/08 04:09 PM
Re: Solemn Vespers at St Paul's Without the Walls
[Re: Latin Catholic]
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EWTN ignored it, but His Holiness Patriarch Gregory III, Patriarch of Antioch, Alexandria, and All the East was present at Solemn Vespers in Saint Paul's Outside the Walls this evening - I was glad to see him, and insulted that the Greek-Catholic Patriarch was thus treated like some nobody.
Fr. Serge
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#293551 - 06/28/08 04:47 PM
Re: Solemn Vespers at St Paul's Without the Walls
[Re: Serge Keleher]
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EWTN ignored it, but His Holiness Patriarch Gregory III, Patriarch of Antioch, Alexandria, and All the East was present at Solemn Vespers in Saint Paul's Outside the Walls this evening - I was glad to see him, and insulted that the Greek-Catholic Patriarch was thus treated like some nobody.
Fr. Serge This is indeed a sore point, and I agree with Fr. Serge completely. As you will know, Vatican II's decree Ecclesiarum Orientalium on the Eastern Catholic Churches provides: By the most ancient tradition of the Church the patriarchs of the Eastern Churches are to be accorded special honor, seeing that each is set over his patriarchate as father and head.
This Sacred Council, therefore, determines that their rights and privileges should be re-established in accordance with the ancient tradition of each of the Churches and the decrees of the ecumenical councils.
The rights and privileges in question are those that obtained in the time of union between East and West; though they should be adapted somewhat to modern conditions. (9) Even so, Eastern Catholic Patriarchs are routinely ranked below Roman Cardinals, while Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Patriarchs are accorded the highest possible honours, something which seems quite illogical to me. Surely this demotion of Eastern Catholic Patriarchs cannot be explained away by referring to the last provision about adaptation "to modern conditions"?
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#293607 - 06/29/08 02:03 AM
Re: Solemn Vespers at St Paul's Without the Walls
[Re: Jakub.]
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I'm beginning to prefer Eastern vestments over Roman/Western ones, am I developing a problem ?
james Yes you are. It's called the beauty of the Christian East. I wish people could catch it like the common cold!
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#293608 - 06/29/08 02:55 AM
Re: Solemn Vespers at St Paul's Without the Walls
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I'm beginning to prefer Eastern vestments over Roman/Western ones, am I developing a problem ?
james Of course you are not developing a problem  You have come to appreciate the beauty , majesty and glory of the East.
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#293649 - 06/29/08 03:24 PM
Re: Solemn Vespers at St Paul's Without the Walls
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James - it seems to have taken you a while to realise that you have been 'hooked' by the East  So now what are you going to do  ? NO - do NOT answer that one 
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#294095 - 07/03/08 08:14 AM
Re: Solemn Vespers at St Paul's Without the Walls
[Re: Latin Catholic]
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If you will look at the sixth picture, Pope Benedict XVI is wearing the "Formale", a clasp with what looks like three pine cones.
I'm puzzled as to why he's wearing this, since the Formale is traditionally worn during times of penitence (Lent, Advent, Ember and Rogation days)
In fact, Pope Benedict XVI has been returning to traditional vesture, but he is wearing them in a style and according to a logic that is uniquely his. (Another example: wearing lots of lace during Advent, Lent and Holy Week, which used to be discouraged)
Not nitpicking, just pointing out a little liturgical tidbit.
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#294125 - 07/03/08 12:17 PM
Re: Solemn Vespers at St Paul's Without the Walls
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If you will look at the sixth picture, Pope Benedict XVI is wearing the "Formale", a clasp with what looks like three pine cones.
I'm puzzled as to why he's wearing this, since the Formale is traditionally worn during times of penitence (Lent, Advent, Ember and Rogation days)
In fact, Pope Benedict XVI has been returning to traditional vesture, but he is wearing them in a style and according to a logic that is uniquely his. (Another example: wearing lots of lace during Advent, Lent and Holy Week, which used to be discouraged)
Not nitpicking, just pointing out a little liturgical tidbit. Lace should be discouraged anytime! 
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#294126 - 07/03/08 12:19 PM
Re: Solemn Vespers at St Paul's Without the Walls
[Re: John K]
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"Archbishop Warham shocked the Canons of Sarum by wearing lace all over the place!"
E. L. Maskell, Pi in the High
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#294226 - 07/04/08 03:12 PM
Re: Solemn Vespers at St Paul's Without the Walls
[Re: Serge Keleher]
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EWTN ignored it, but His Holiness Patriarch Gregory III, Patriarch of Antioch, Alexandria, and All the East was present at Solemn Vespers in Saint Paul's Outside the Walls this evening - I was glad to see him, and insulted that the Greek-Catholic Patriarch was thus treated like some nobody.
Fr. Serge But the Vatican itself didn't give any remark on the Patriarch, did he? I'm very frustrated of our Patriarch having been ignored. Neither one photo I saw!
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