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#296155 - 07/27/08 08:01 PM
Altar Girls?
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I was reading through Particular Law for the Byzantine-Ruthenian Church in the USA. I know this topic has been raised before, but I was struck my Canon 707: §8. Women are prohibited from serving at the altar. Isn't this issue mute? In other words isn't it very clear that altar girls are forbidden? Perhaps I don't understand Canon Law.
Edited by Ray S. (07/27/08 08:01 PM)
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#296164 - 07/27/08 11:00 PM
Re: Altar Girls?
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#296200 - 07/28/08 11:51 AM
Re: Altar Girls?
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I was reading through Particular Law for the Byzantine-Ruthenian Church in the USA. I know this topic has been raised before, but I was struck my Canon 707: §8. Women are prohibited from serving at the altar. Isn't this issue mute? In other words isn't it very clear that altar girls are forbidden? Perhaps I don't understand Canon Law. OK--I'll bite. Have you been to a parish in the Ruthenian Metropolia that uses girls to serve at the altar?
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#296212 - 07/28/08 03:51 PM
Re: Altar Girls?
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I was reading through Particular Law for the Byzantine-Ruthenian Church in the USA. I know this topic has been raised before, but I was struck my Canon 707: §8. Women are prohibited from serving at the altar. Isn't this issue mute? In other words isn't it very clear that altar girls are forbidden? Perhaps I don't understand Canon Law. Why the question?
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#296223 - 07/28/08 07:28 PM
Re: Altar Girls?
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One would certainly assume that girls are women. So far as I know, the human race only has two genders.
Fr. Serge
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#296225 - 07/28/08 07:43 PM
Re: Altar Girls?
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OK--I'll bite. Have you been to a parish in the Ruthenian Metropolia that uses girls to serve at the altar? I personally have not witnessed altar girls, but there have been post here in which they say some BCC's have altar girls.
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#296227 - 07/28/08 08:06 PM
Re: Altar Girls?
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OK--I'll bite. Have you been to a parish in the Ruthenian Metropolia that uses girls to serve at the altar? I personally have not witnessed altar girls, but there have been post here in which they say some BCC's have altar girls. I visited a Ruthenian parish that had a girl vested like an altar boy, but she did not go into the altar area.
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#296248 - 07/29/08 06:20 AM
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Well, perhaps that was a bit lapidary. Is there any canonical distinction between girls and women at all or with regard to serving at the altar? If there is not, should/could there be? I will rely on Fr. Serge's assertion that there are only two genders, but it seems at least plausible that there could be a meaningful distinction between adult and child.
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#296266 - 07/29/08 12:23 PM
Re: Altar Girls?
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I suppose I should actually complete my thoughts before hitting "send"...  Article 462 of the Pastoral Guide states: Only priests, deacons, minor clerics and servers (servers act in the role of minor clerics) are allowed in the altar. The laity who do not perform any function relating to the services must not be given a place in the altar. Women are never permitted in the altar during any services.
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#296267 - 07/29/08 12:27 PM
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That is not correct - the English translation of the Church- (UGCC)-wide particular law was completed in 2006. The Pastoral Guide or particular law for the Archeparchy of Philadelphia and the Eparchies of Chicago, Parma, and Stamford was completed in 1999. I stand corrected. Does any of this deal with the issue of women serving in the Altar? I have heard that this is an occurrence with growing frequency in UGCC churches in the U.S. Dn. Robert
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#296268 - 07/29/08 12:33 PM
Re: Altar Girls?
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I suppose I should actually complete my thoughts before hitting "send"... Article 462 of the Pastoral Guide states: Only priests, deacons, minor clerics and servers (servers act in the role of minor clerics) are allowed in the altar. The laity who do not perform any function relating to the services must not be given a place in the altar. Women are never permitted in the altar during any services. Diak, I posted my comments before you posted this. From what you posted above, it sounds like there are some liturgical abuses occurring, esp. here in the U.S. Dn. Robert
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