Newest Members
Walker, LadyBlue, Abuna, andr, Jonathan C
4942 Registered Users
Who's Online
4 registered (malphono, eastwardlean?, babochka, 1 invisible), 181 Guests and 36 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
ByzFANtium: An Icon-covered ceiling fans (Part II)
ByzFANtium:  An Icon-covered cieling fan
Does this look right?
"Christ the Prisoner" - Icon Focal Point for Lent 2014
Walk For Life West Coast - 2014 Four EC parishes
Forum Stats
4942 Members
26 Forums
32702 Topics
397873 Posts

Max Online: 2716 @ 06/07/12 04:10 PM
Topic Options
#377794 - 03/19/12 07:26 PM Catholic, Orthodox leaders reach accord on reconciliation between
Alice Offline
Moderator
Member

Registered: 01/12/03
Posts: 10715
Loc: USA
Catholic, Orthodox leaders reach accord on reconciliation between Poland and Russia

March 16, 2012

Representatives of the Roman Catholic Church and the Russian have reached agreement on a joint statement calling for reconciliation between the people of Russia and Poland: a historic agreement on an issue that has caused enormous friction between the two countries and the two churches.

The joint statement, which is the product of two years of careful negotiations, received final approval at a meeting in Warsaw on March 15. Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill of Moscow is expected to sign the statement when he visits Poland in August.

The document, which calls for mutual forgiveness and an end to lasting animosities, represents a breakthrough in relations between Catholics and Orthodox. Archbishop Stanislaw Budzik of Lublin, who participated in the talks leading up to the agreement, noted that “never before in history” have bishops of the Polish Catholic Church joined with entered into such a joint statement with their Russian Orthodox counterparts.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=13699

Top
#377908 - 03/22/12 12:55 AM Re: Catholic, Orthodox leaders reach accord on reconciliation between [Re: Alice]
IAlmisry Offline
Member

Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 857
Loc: Chicago
Originally Posted By: Alice
Catholic, Orthodox leaders reach accord on reconciliation between Poland and Russia

March 16, 2012

Representatives of the Roman Catholic Church and the Russian have reached agreement on a joint statement calling for reconciliation between the people of Russia and Poland: a historic agreement on an issue that has caused enormous friction between the two countries and the two churches.

The joint statement, which is the product of two years of careful negotiations, received final approval at a meeting in Warsaw on March 15. Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill of Moscow is expected to sign the statement when he visits Poland in August.

The document, which calls for mutual forgiveness and an end to lasting animosities, represents a breakthrough in relations between Catholics and Orthodox. Archbishop Stanislaw Budzik of Lublin, who participated in the talks leading up to the agreement, noted that “never before in history” have bishops of the Polish Catholic Church joined with entered into such a joint statement with their Russian Orthodox counterparts.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=13699

Is there any involvement of their Polish Orthodox counterparts?

Top
#377921 - 03/22/12 02:36 PM Re: Catholic, Orthodox leaders reach accord on reconciliation between [Re: IAlmisry]
Tomassus Offline
Member

Registered: 08/25/11
Posts: 379
Loc: Central Massachusetts
A Google translation of the original source to which the Catholic World News item refers (an article in the March 15th Polish-language edition of L'Osservatore Romano at http://ekai.pl/wydarzenia/ekumenizm/x52306/w-sierpniu-podpisanie-oredzia/) mentions "an invitation to representatives of the Orthodox Church in Poland and the Catholic Church in Russia" as a possibility for future meetings.

I cannot find any other Internet references of the accord--especially of that issue of L'Osservatore Romano in other languages or on Interfax.

Top
#377928 - 03/22/12 06:02 PM Re: Catholic, Orthodox leaders reach accord on reconciliation between [Re: Tomassus]
IAlmisry Offline
Member

Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 857
Loc: Chicago
Originally Posted By: Tomassus
A Google translation of the original source to which the Catholic World News item refers (an article in the March 15th Polish-language edition of L'Osservatore Romano at http://ekai.pl/wydarzenia/ekumenizm/x52306/w-sierpniu-podpisanie-oredzia/) mentions "an invitation to representatives of the Orthodox Church in Poland and the Catholic Church in Russia" as a possibility for future meetings.

I cannot find any other Internet references of the accord--especially of that issue of L'Osservatore Romano in other languages or on Interfax.

I cannot think why the Polish Orthodox Bishops should not be involved in such an undertaking from the beginning.

Top
#377946 - 03/23/12 02:25 AM Re: Catholic, Orthodox leaders reach accord on reconciliation between [Re: Alice]
Tomassus Offline
Member

Registered: 08/25/11
Posts: 379
Loc: Central Massachusetts
Possible correction to my above post: I do not think that the article appeared in the Polish-language of L'Osservatore Romano, because I could find no reference to it on the Vatican website for L'Osservatore Romano. While I was toggling between the Polish text and the Google English translation trying to make some sense of it (I know little Polish), a "L'Osservatore Romano" banner appeared at the top of the screen, leading me to conclude (incorrectly?) that the article was from L'Osservatore Romano.

Nonetheless, I found a 2010 Interfax article about the first meeting of the working group--but with no mention of any involvement of the Polish Orthodox Church. I could find no followup about the Moscow session or the recent agreement.

Russian Orthodox Church and Catholic Church of Poland seek to reconcile people of two countries

http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=7408

Moscow, June 25, 2010 / Interfax – The Moscow Patriarchate and the Catholic Church work on a joint document covering church contribution to Russia-Poland reconciliation.

The first session of the working group of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church in Poland on the elaboration of a document on the contribution of Churches to reconciliation between peoples of Russia and Poland took place in Warsaw on June 24, the synodal Department for External Church Relations reports.

The Moscow Patriarchate was represented by Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk, head of the DECR, the Catholic Church in Poland – by the Primate of Poland Archbishop Henryk Muszynski.

The working group discussed two versions of the document prepared by the Orthodox and Catholic delegations, reached agreement on its structure and main contents, and decided that they will consider the grievances of the past in the spirit of Christ compassion and mutual forgiveness, whereas experts will make thorough research into the authenticity of historical facts and interpret them. The major part of the document will contain definitions of the spheres of cooperation between the two Churches at present and in the future for the good of the peoples of Poland and Russia.

The next session is due to take place in Moscow.

Top
#377956 - 03/23/12 12:58 PM Re: Catholic, Orthodox leaders reach accord on reconciliation between [Re: Tomassus]
IAlmisry Offline
Member

Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 857
Loc: Chicago
I would go so far as to say that if this does not involve the Polish Orthodox Church, it is uncanonical.

I remember a Jesuit friend of mine studying Islam with me at the University of Chicago, confronted Muslims in Jordan, asking all about ecumenical talks etc. "Why don't you talk to the Christians in your country?" he asked.

With the Copts, the Eastern Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria signs all agreements, and with the Syriacs, the Eastern Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch does the same. Poland is autocephalous of her mother Church Moscow, who cannot be signing for her and who must defer to her (Warsaw) on such matters.

Top
#377957 - 03/23/12 01:12 PM Re: Catholic, Orthodox leaders reach accord on reconciliation between [Re: IAlmisry]
IAlmisry Offline
Member

Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 857
Loc: Chicago
I have been just informed, by someone knowledgeable in the Polish Orthodox Church, that the POC approved the accord process, but decided to step back and let the PoM take the active role.

Top
#377958 - 03/23/12 01:41 PM Re: Catholic, Orthodox leaders reach accord on reconciliation between [Re: Alice]
DMD Offline
Member

Registered: 05/01/09
Posts: 1668
Loc: Upstate New York
sigh, typical of the Polish Orthodox as well as their colleagues in Slovakia... Why they let Moscow take the lead astounds me and it certainly solidifies the claims of the Greek Catholics that the Orthodox are really Russians in sheep's clothing. This same claim has gone on in the states for nearly a century. Some things seem never to change. I don't know the politics involved, but the perception of folks in the 'pews' (where they have them!) often seems to be misjudged by the church leaders.

Top
#377960 - 03/23/12 01:47 PM Re: Catholic, Orthodox leaders reach accord on reconciliation between [Re: DMD]
IAlmisry Offline
Member

Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 857
Loc: Chicago
Originally Posted By: DMD
sigh, typical of the Polish Orthodox as well as their colleagues in Slovakia... Why they let Moscow take the lead astounds me and it certainly solidifies the claims of the Greek Catholics that the Orthodox are really Russians in sheep's clothing. This same claim has gone on in the states for nearly a century. Some things seem never to change. I don't know the politics involved, but the perception of folks in the 'pews' (where they have them!) often seems to be misjudged by the church leaders.
The reason given by my Polish informant (who is insistent that he is Belarussian, not Polish, but a citizen of Poland, not Belarus) is "because of the tiny influence the Orthodox Church has on Polish society." Of course, when the POC didn't have Russian support, i.e. during the Polish Second Republic, all sorts of things were imposed on it. There is something to be said for a counterweight.

Top

Moderator:  Father Anthony 

The Byzantine Forum provides message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. Contents copyright - 1996-2014. All rights reserved.