Oh yes, that's true, and I don't have any issue with that. I was referring more to the routine omission of things from the menaion , which seems to be the rule in many EC parishes but wouldn't happen in Orthodox ones. Even where we shorten parts of the service, we still give the saint of the day their due. I gather that in the UGCC most parishes don't even sing the troparia of the saint of the church at the liturgy, or do the extra gospel readings, epistle, prokimena, for the day.

Do you mean for regular Sundays? The troparia, kontakia, citations of readings, prokimena, Alleluia and Communion verses, etc. are given in the Anthology if the parish wished to take the extra readings (assuming it was a Doxology or higher feast that coincides with the Sunday). Dolnytsky's Typikon doesn't require the singing of the Troparion and Kontakion of the temple at the Liturgy unless it is the patronal feast. The patronal Troparion and Kontakion are appointed to be sung at the Sixth Hour on regular Sundays. I'll have to go back and check, but as I recall some pre-Nikonian Typika on regular Sundays also only required the Sunday troparion, kontakion, and theotokion of the Octoechos, and not that of the temple at the Liturgy.

You guys are smart!

Ah that may explain it; it didn't occur to me that the UGCC was using a different typikon than ROCOR or MP. Have there always been differences between the Ukrainian Churches and Russian in this area? Do the typika used by the UAOC, Kievan Patriarchate etc. differ?

Yes, there have always been local typikons. Very generally speaking there is perhaps more agreement between the various Kyivan typikons with the pre-Nikonian usage; St. Peter Mohyla (from which most are derived or at least borrow from) compiled all of his material decades before the Nikonian reforms.

The case above is a good example; the Sunday Bohorodichen from the Octoechos is not taken at the Divine Liturgy in Greek parishes or Nikonian usage Russian parishes on regular Sundays, but is taken in the Old Rite as well as the UGCC and "Ruthenian" usages.

Where can you obtain books or pdf files of those typicons (for a comparative study)

John

You'll have to be able to read Slavonic, Russian, Ukrainian and Greek.

yes, I gather there's a debate between using that and "Predstatelstvo".

actually I am trying to learn to read old cyrillic and greek in my spare time.

It's very hard - I've got no time - but very interesting.

What I've learned is how WORDS convey meaning and how critical it is to translate properly - and how that meaning can change from language to language (typicon to typicon?) LOGOS is a great example of a misunderstood word - Father Hopko said (I think) that they were not referring to the Hellenistic WORD = LOGOS but that was the only word they had to say "word" or that is the word they used (which eliminates the need to refer to hellenistic theory changing into Christian theology ie. no controversy). His explanation is that CHRIST is "THE WORD" and that the Bible is the words of "THE WORD"

I think that is my major problem with Protestant Sola Scriptura types - they interpret the bible from modern english translations for the most part without reference to tradition.

I heard a sermon where the Bishop said that LITURGICAL PRAYER exists (and probably typicons) to avoid or prevent PERSONALITIES from entering into Prayer - especially at the time of Liturgical Action in a church. That satisfies me a great deal.