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I wonder if this issue between the Latin Church and the Orthodox is as big a deal as some make it seem. Have any of you noticed how little the Pope's own bishops and clergy seem to heed his directives, teaching, and advice? You don't have to go far: how about the contempt for Humanae Vitae that has continued from 1968 to date? How about some of the American bishops who openly deride his recent instructions about correcting liturgical abuse and call it "Roman interference"? The whole issue of conscience has been twisted in the Latin Church for the past 30 years to justify ignoring Papal and Roman directives that a case could be made that the Orthodox are just following their consciences like so many Latins on this issue. I could go on but what's the point? There are so many people in the Catholic Church who ignore the Pope on so many issues that we might as well call ourselves big "O" Orthodox and get on with it. Maybe it's our culture of "pick and choose" in so many areas, but it seems to me that this is more of a straw man than we realize.
Please understand that I may not agree with these particular ideas or practices, but they seem to be rather normal for many from my observation.
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Dear Bob, What you said reminds me of a situation at my former place of employment. A colleague approached me and said that while she was Anglican, she wanted to marry a Roman Catholic and what problems did I think that would pose? I told her there shouldn't be any problems since "neither of those two Churches want to listen to the Pope . . ." God bless, Alex
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Alex: Good advice. And so true!!! :rolleyes: I wonder if there would be so much animosity between the MP and the Pope if we could just have Alexy and John Paul change places for a couple months. From my POV, Orthodox bishops seem to be more "on the same page" with each other, while it seems that the Pope keeps getting recommendations about men who turn out to be wolves in sheep's clothing once they are consecrated and installed. My bet is that His Holiness Alexy would be so glad to get home it wouldn't even be funny. Of course it might also give him a first-hand idea of what the Pope is up against with so many competing factions and dissenters. On the other hand, maybe the MP could shake up the troops for us. In Christ, BOB
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Anton, (With apologies to Bob, the vegetarian Lenten chili king, who's trying to conduct a serious discussion, while Anton, Bill, and me are acting out the latest episode of the Eastern Food Network )Until you posted that link, I thought you were kidding, being unfamiliar with Lactobacillus bulgaricus. Bill, of course, through the medium of an article on Jewish yoghurt-makers  , has proven that the Armenian Colombosian family introduced yoghurt to American consumers (even if one did have to wade through one of the Boston Globe's worst written articles of all time to find out that bit of info). Hmmm ... I feel a bit conflicted here, being the recent winner of $1M from Bill (which I haven't yet received  ) and having recently won from a recipe for the most chocolate cake in the universe (albeit without yoghurt as an ingredient  ) from Anton (which I have received  ). Ahhh ... there's the deciding consideration. I already have the recipe; I don't yet have the $1M. If I go with Anton, I may never get it  ; that argues for sticking with Bill, at least until it's in hand  . (Can you spell 'bought'? :rolleyes: Neil, diligently (and fruitlessly) seaching the web for any references to Lactobacillus armenicus
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You can hunt, but you ain't never gonna find any. BTW, did you try to make the cake? And apologise for he hijacked thread....mea culpa. Anton
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Originally posted by AntonI: You can hunt, but you ain't never gonna find any. Anton, Shh  , I know, I'm trying to spare Bill's feelings. Originally posted by AntonI: BTW, did you try to make the cake? My wife has promised that we'll be having it next month, when my stepkids will be here with us for a visit (think she feels we need more mouths to share in eating it - a weight control measure  ). After reviewing the recipe, she announced that it sounds exquisitely delicious and will test everyone's glucose tolerance levels  . I'll let you know when we try it. Many years, Neil
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Neil: LOL Maybe not so serious a discussion. I wonder with the mention on another thread about the necessity of having everyone have a beer before tackling a topic if it would be a good thing to have all the heads of Churches meet somewhere on neutral ground, require them to wear nothing but polo shirts, khakis, and sandals--maybe sunglasses--and give them beer, snacks, and the mandate to "work it out." After my last post, I wondered if HH John Paul II would want to come home after his sojourn with the bishops of the MP. BOB P.S.: I didn't think the chili was so bad: variety in a recipe seems to be the "spice of life."
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Dear Administrator, Perhaps this thread has outlived its usefulness and should be closed before someone gets indigestion - big time? Alex
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Bob, I agree the chili was quite good in fact; think my final version incorporated every item of produce about which you and I had speculated as a potential ingredient Many years, Neil
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Dear Administrator, As usual, you are doing a stellar job of managing these threads! Perhaps you could move it to Emeril Lagassi's chat forum? Alex
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Oh Alex...come on...don't be a spoilsport! Too much serious discussion is hazardous for one's health...
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Oh ye of little faith. I can prove to you all the clear fact that madzoon (or that Turkish titled stuff) was invented by Armenians. That's easy.
It was once explained to me by a Polish friend that he clearly witnessed a commerical by Yoplait (or one of those big named yoghurt companies) that explained that this delicious food originated with Armenians and was our secret to long lives. So there you have it.
Btw, I'm sorry Bob but your reward has been revoked for actions not befitting one deserving a reward for Armenian trivia. Too bad too, I was just wrting out the check. :p
Anyway, thanks for your participation.
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Ghazar:
May I make amends by asking you to give me a tutorial on Armenian cuisine? How about you set up a buffet with all those goodies and Neil (if I can talk him into it) and I will bring the beer?
BOB
P.S.: But you'll have to make it a big buffet because I'll let everyone on the forum know where this feast is to be. What's a smorgasbord without a big family to enjoy it?
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