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Originally posted by Dan Lauffer:
Don't both of the Western issues touch upon sexual issues? How are we to discuss the article without touching on sexual issues?
I don't plan to comment on anything on the forum outside of evangelization but the limitations placed upon this discussion seem to effectively close it.
Dan L Dan, I am sorry, but these are the conditons that I allowed this thread to be reopened by. The sexuality issues were getting out of hand, and myself and the other moderators do not have time to play referee with name-calling and accusations. This issue has been played out in the other forums and forced the hands of the moderators there. This I am going to be unbending with considering the antics of the last several days. If not I can go back to closing it off again. In IC XC, Father Anthony+
Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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Originally posted by a still, small voice:
Dear Gordo,
This brings to my mind once again, the materialistic society we live in. We have every gadget, form of entertainment, and luxury that man can dream of. Yet, we still spend so much time searching for more to make us happy.
May we truly search our hearts for ways to focus on the simple, the sacrificial, and the holy.
Peace in Christ, Tammy I will join you in that simple prayer Tammy.
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Dan suggests that "Some priests who seem not to have the vocation but seem to be only social climbers" are a problem for the Christian East. Granted that such things have happened and could still happen in some cultures and societies, it's an unlikely scenario in most places in reach of the Forum.
Right now in the developed Anglo world, becoming a priest is definitely not an advantage for social climbers! Not that I think it should be an advantage for social climbers (I remember one such character from thirty years or so ago; she wasn't a cleric, obviously, but she was indeed a social climber - and she was the laughing-stock of the parish because of it), but we could all do without the current situation in which priests who wear clerical clothing are often abused by total strangers in the street.
Moreover, the way in which social "esteem" is usually expressed in the developed Anglo world is money - and the salaries of the clergy indicate that "society" holds the clergy in remarkably low esteem; anyone trying to live and support a family on a priest's income cannot possibly afford to engage in social climbing.
However, I may be biased; I was brought up to believe that social climbers were funnier than laughing hyenas but were not to be taken seriously and I remain of that opinion. It's hard to imagine a more ridiculous ambition.
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