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Dear Robert K:

James Likoudis's scholarship is a joke. He even tried to debunk SAINT Gregory Palamas, who is recognized as a SAINT by our Eastern Catholic Church! (just like Saint Photius to whom we pray on February 6!)

Anyway, you never answered my two questions:

1) Where is purgatory and indulgences referenced in our liturgies?

2) Have you read "ut unum sint" and "orientale lumen"?

Oh here's another website you might like on your journey to the most pure form of catholicism:

www.truecatholic.org [truecatholic.org] Enjoy!

anastasios

I tried to read through your arguments, but I think we can make this simple, you are either Catholic or Orthodox, it is impossible to be both. The Catholic Church can make its statements on faith, which is generally dictated by Rome, and so can the Orthodox Churches. Sorry folks, there is no middle ground. If you wish to be Orthodox, be Orthodox, there are plenty of Orthodox Churches that will welcome you. But if you are Catholic, don't pretend to be Orthodox. You are as Catholic as any Latin Catholic or other Catholic.

There is nothing wrong with being Orthodox or being Catholic. Both churches have wonderful traditions and beliefs. But we are separated and the way to deal with that is to determine which faith works best for you and to go with it. As for Mr. Likoudis or any other Catholic, I hope you enjoy your new faith, just as my wife enjoys having left the Catholic Church for Orthodox Chruch.

LOL!!! These guys kill me!

[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: Mor Ephrem ]

Ok, thanks for the polemics.

I am a member of the Orthodox Church of Kyiv Rus'
now know as the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. That may annoy alot of you Orthodox alot BUT it is the TRUTH!

We need to remove those phonies in Pochaiv and the Kyiv Caves and restore our Church to her true home and Church, Kyiv and Saint Sophia! Alas, the conspiracy of Patriarch, ahh hem . . . . I mean Cardinal Major Archbishop Lybomyr, has been foiled!

St. Josaphat, the soul stealer, pray for us!


ALity
Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner!

[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: ALity ]

[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: ALity ]

Ality stated: "We need to remove those phonies in Pochaiv and the Kyiv Caves and restore our Church to her true home and Church, Kyiv and Saint Sophia! "

AMIHb!

I have been very sick lately but going to the www.truecatholic.org [truecatholic.org] gave me a well needed laugh and humor. Long live Pope Pius XIII!!

Am I the only Orthodox ecuminist here?


The catholic Church consists of all who have been baptized -- Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Protestant. This is accepted by the common declaration of all of these traditions.



The statement of faith of the Catholic Church, like the member bodies of the WCC are generally dictated by Christ and the Apostles. See Paul VI "Much more unites us than divides us"


They, as do we, have to accept the teachings of Christ and His apostles. The Holy Spirit guides the church, through her bishops. If Orthodox has preserved the teachings by her bishops, either assembed or not, and Catholicism has preserved these teachings by her bishops, asemmbled or not or through her head, well, the Spirit is working. I am amazed that we can have a discussion on "process" without anyone pointing to a conclusion. That is where the dicussion should be. And while points of difference exist, they are narrow.

This one, pretty big "if" settles 90% or more of the issue here at hand in one fell swoop.

Nice try, but you don't get to define what an Eastern Catholic is.

We are BYZANTINE Catholics so we follow Byzantine traditions, just like the Orthodox. No one is pretending anything. I attend the Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom and pray the Akathists, Canons, etc. I pray the Jesus Prayer, read the Cappadocian Fathers, etc. Unfortunately, I am aware of a painful separation between Eastern Catholics and Orthodox, and I pray for the division to end!

In Christ,

anastasios

Axios,

Are you implying that Catholicism and Orthodoxy are just another denomination?

Declarations and Dogma are two different things.

Most young Catholics are not aware of what consitutes a Protestant. I have to inform them that if you are not Orthodox or Catholic you are Protestant. We should remember that Protestant means Protestor. Taken to it's full theological implications it means one in essence is a protestor of Christ and His Church.

Here is an ALity for the day.

ALL Orthodox Churches are catholic
BUT NOT ALL Catholic Churches are orthodox.

Agree,
Disagree,

Crucify Him!?

Ality

I'm not sure what these above comments mean as they seem very vague. In some states, congregations applying for theri tax-exemption can by-pass the ususal process if they file a letter stating they are a congregation within a "denomination" that has tax exempt status. Catholic and Orthodox parishes regularly do this in a signed, official statement. I assume these church leaders are not liars.

I'm a young Orthodox and I know what a Protestant is. It is a fellow baptized Christian that I enjoy some degree of Christian fellowship with and to whom I am united to in Christ. While some points of division sadly exist, "much more unites us than divides us" (1)

Axios

(1) Paul VI