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Dear John, Well, if you are pro-Ukrainian, I really do have to watch myself with you  Canadian bishops do have a reputation for being like Dr. John - a little liberal that is (Dr. John, just relax, O.K.?)  Our former AA probably should have been consecrated for the Roman Church rather than ours but that is a personal view . . . Regarding our Patriarch and internal organization as a Particular Church, our bishops are now appointed directly by our Synod located in Leopolis (Lviv) Ukraine. Even when Rome nominates them, they go to their Patriarch for his blessing and to be consecrated by him. We believe our Patriarch has worldwide jurisdiction over all Ukrainian Greek Catholic parishes and eparchies. I wouldn't know what Rome has to say on the matter. Most of us have long since stopped caring! Alex
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Fascinating...its bloomed into an interesting discussion! Thanks to all for participating...they do say that you learn something new every day. And I finally got my 'icona' - which I believe is of the Blessed Brothers, SS Kyril and Metodi, Apsotles of the Slavs, Equal to the Apostles (phwe...long title...in heaven, what do you think their calling card looks like?). I always enjoy celebrating May 24th, the Day of Letters and the mission that they undertook to evangelise the Slavs. Kudos to their seven helpers, particularly SS Naum and Clement. Was having a language discussion and it was interesting to note how far Bulgarian has changed, as oppsed to the other Slavic languages. No more nasty case endings and what not...just wondering how language evolves... ehh....I am going off a tangent...
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Dear Anton, Yes, those case endings . . . They almost did me in when I was studying Yoo-ka-rainian! It helped me in my study of Latin. Too bad I never completed my study of Latin. If I did, I could speak to people during my visits to Latin America . . . Alex
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Well speaking of Latin, I have began teaching myself that language. As I am hoping to go for an MA in Medieval Studies (proper history really ends in 1900!)..I need it! The three universities that I am applying to do make their students do lessons but I though that I might get a head start. And talking of bureacritic nightmares...the forms you have to fill in duplicates and triplicates and what not....Oh vey... Cambridge is my 1st choice but it is competitive...ohhh..have to wait till March for a result.....
Plus...I have to do my dissertation...so far I've written around 2,500 words about trial by ordeal...it so fascinating...Moving onto miracles and influence on the medieval mind...I have no idea what I have let myself in for..
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Dear Anton, Good luck and God's blessings to you, Big Guy! You'll be a truly educated man in the classical sense. Like our Dr. John, only a tad less liberal, it is to be hoped! (You aren't connected to the Jesuits in any way, are you? ). Alex
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I have to say that I am conservative in many things but occasionally liberal for certain things. I am a Tory through and through and proud of it. As for Jesuits...no...I am related to Abbot Ioan of Rila though, and when we last talked at Christmas, we had a good natter about the Pope's visit to the monastery. He needs to keep his beard in shape though - its becomign slightly tangled!
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:rolleyes: Double posts Oh vey....Microsoft...Microsoft..when will you lean! :rolleyes:  Anton
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Dear Anton,
What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to grow beards . . .
For a minute there, I thought you were saying you are related to St Ioann of Rila . . .
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Hello ALEX:
You wrote: "Most of us have long since stopped caring!"
Oh-oh!
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John McAlpine
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Dear John, We respect Rome and I daresay we have more martyrs for the Pope than any of you Western Catholics in this century! My great uncle was an Underground Archbishop who spent ten years in Siberia for his union with Rome and then suffered no fewer than 18 house arrests. But we have our own Patriarchal and Particular rights that were guaranteed us at the Union of Brest-Litovsk and Vatican II. Roman bureaucrats have shown they are more interested in placating Moscow (which, as I am sure you've heard, isn't too pleased with us or our Church . . .will you say, "Oh-oh" to that too? ). We in no way question Catholic faith and morals. Except when it comes to Vatican politicians doing politics with our Church. In any event, we work and live as a true Particular Church. If the Vatican has a problem with that, it can file a complaint which I'm sure will be duly noted and considered . . . Alex
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I have designer stubble...I am fashionable... Actually, I am a lazy git...shaving takes too much effort and time! Besides, the girlfriends ain't too keen on me being hairy! On the Rila thing...not related to the SAINT but to the current Abbot... Is it in all your cases that when more than two priests are together, the conversations break into gossiping? Just something I've noticed in my local church - the bishop is a wonder about that...though a few of the wives could give him a run for his money. Actually scratch that...I like the good natter as well........BUT its not gossiping....its simply...Dissiminating vital infromation! Anton My dear Alex...we seem to be posting in tandem! The Holy Spirit works in mysterious ways.
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Dear Anton, I agree. And can we do something about Augustine Revere? Alex
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Dear AntonI:
Nobody here dares to post in tandem with Alex!
Certainly, you will be left behind before long.
(Posting from London, I was expecting you to be writing to us in Queen's English!?)
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Dear Lizzy has gone all Estuary on us! But then, we ARE so more civilised than you Americans... True but can Alex beat me in a vodka/rakia/tequila contest???? Heh...can you punk...can you???! Anton
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Hello Alex:
I don't question your martyrs, though they are mine too.
What we see is tension between Rome with her universal outlook and the Ukrainians with their own particular outlook. This is normal enough, but the feelings generated by this tension have often led to schism in the past. Remember, the will is first . . . .
While I understand and sympathize with Ukrainian aims (it's about time Ukraine got its independence, and I don't have any brief for the Russians, I hope you can see that Rome has a legitimate concern for the separated East (yes, even the Russian Orthodox Church!), a concern that you Catholics of the East want Rome to have, after all. Yet, like Honorius perhaps, Rome is blamed for doing one of the very things you said you wanted!
I hope Rome agrees to the elevation of "Archbishop-Major" Husar to "Patriarch". Even if she doesn't, maybe a unilateral declaration by your Church is enough: there are precedents. Of course, it won't add anything to his authority, as he's always been the head of your church. I know that the ties between Ukraine and Rome go way back, an example being the crowning of Prince Danilo, for instance. It would be good to see another demonstration of these ties in our time.
I don't think that you question Catholic faith and morals. But just remember, Rome is not just mine, she is yours too. So, give me a break, I really am pro-Ukrainian!
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