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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic: Dear Anhelyna,
When it comes to such modernist nonsense occurring in the RC Church, I'm a believer! 
Rather than see Mary as somehow disconnected to her Son, we really need to refocus on the Incarnation and her role throughout her Son's Ministry.
It is she who tells us, at Cana in Galilee, to do "whatever He tells you."
She always points to her Son and just as He came to us through her, we go to Him the same way!
To pray the Hail Mary before the Blessed Sacrament is to celebrate the Incarnation and its great gift of Jesus in the Eucharist.
Mary and the Saints are simply an extension of the Incarnation and of the mediatorial role of Christ.
He is the One Mediator, but to be drawn into His Life is to participate in that mediatorial role ourselves in bearing His blessings and in helping to bring His blessings to the world.
Alex Well I did say ....... But you know Alex , you really are preaching to the converted about this  Anhelyna
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
In actual fact, there is no such thing as an image of Mary without Jesus!
You are very right, Alex! The beautiful image of Our Lady of Guadalupe (which could be described as similar to an icon, right? not made by human hands & all that?) depicts Mary as several months pregnant. So when we pray before her image, we are not just "praying to Mary," we are praying to Christ hidden with her womb.
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Dear Anhelyna, I was going to put that in at the end of my post above. But then I thought, "Well, she already knows that too!"  I was right! Alex
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Dear Dolly,
Absolutely!
There is the famous genre of Eastern Marian icon called the "Sign" that depicts Christ in a medallion in front of our Lady.
The miraculous Annunciation icon of "Ustiug" portrays an outline of the Baby Jesus appearing in Mary as St Gabriel points to her.
As a matter of fact, the French Marian school of Berulle et al. did encourage their devotees to contemplate Christ in the Womb of Mary.
The Old Believer Rosary has one section of 38 "steps" or "wrungs" that are in honour of the 38 weeks and two days in which Christ was in the Womb of His Mother.
Again, this is all related to Incarnational theology, which is what truly differentiates REAL Christianity from counterfeits - and from all other religions in the world.
Alex
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
There is the famous genre of Eastern Marian icon called the "Sign" that depicts Christ in a medallion in front of our Lady.
Interesting! St. Jude is also always pictured as holding a medallion with an image of Christ - part of the same general genre?
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Dear Dolly,
Well, no.
The medallion St Jude bears is the image of Christ that he took to King Abgar of Edessa to heal him of blindness, I believe, as per Christ's written promise in their correspondence - that the Armenian Church still has in its possession.
The medallion in the other icon is an artistic way to depict Jesus living in Mary, as per Montfort's famous hymn.
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
Dear Dolly,
Well, no.
The medallion St Jude bears is the image of Christ that he took to King Abgar of Edessa to heal him of blindness, I believe, as per Christ's written promise in their correspondence - that the Armenian Church still has in its possession.
The medallion in the other icon is an artistic way to depict Jesus living in Mary, as per Montfort's famous hymn.
Alex Aaaaaahhhh ... so much to learn, so little time! I trust there'll be a refresher course in Eternity! 
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Alex,
I just read the prayer on the back of the The Lady of All Peoples Icon card and the last paragraph confuses me, here is the prayer:
" Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Father, send now Your Spirit over the earth. Let the Holy Spirit live in the hearts of all peoples, that they may be preserved from corruption, disaster and war.
May the Lady of All Peoples, who once was Mary , be our Advocate." Amen
I don't understand it.
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I don't understand it either!
Michael, that sinner
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Originally posted by Jakub:
May the Lady of All Peoples, [b]who once was Mary , be our Advocate." Amen
I don't understand it.
James [/b] It seems to be a really poor choice of words that may be trying to say that at one time Mary was recognised by all people as thier Mother - but not so much anymore. Hey - maybe it is nothing more than some poor nitwit trying his best.
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Dear Jakub,
Just a guess....
I comprehend it as: 'Our Lady of All Peoples' is a praiseworthy and honorable holy title for our Lady, who is NOW gloriously in Heaven as Mother for us all, and thus, this title and reality transcends what once was her earthly existence in which she was THEN known with the simple title of her name, 'Mary'.
I hope this makes sense (?)...it does to me.
In Christ,
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The more I look at it they should of left it out. It begs for misinterpertation.
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It does do just that, James, I agree.
The Blessed Ever-Virgin Mary the Theotokos is *still* Mary after her dormition and assumption, for she still remains human, and her entire humanity--body, soul and spirit-- was assumed into Heaven after her death. "Mary" is her given name, and so, that was assumed also. Just my humble thought.
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Dear Jakub,
"who once was Mary", to me, seems to refer to the quiet Mary known only to her earthly neighbors and family, as she raised the child Jesus.
"Lady of all Peoples" is she that we all honor (all peoples) today for her role in our salvation.
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Originally posted by alice:
Dear Jakub,
Lady, who is NOW gloriously in Heaven as Mother for us all, and thus, this title and reality transcends what once was her earthly existence in which she was THEN known with the simple title of her name, 'Mary'.
I hope this makes sense (?)...it does to me.
In Christ,
Alice By Jove I think you've got it! What a nice thought. She must have explained it to you - Herself. -ray
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