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Originally posted by Joel Badal:
Yes, I understand that Rome is essential for ministry to work in an organized fashion, but what would you do with an indigeous group in Papua New Guinea whom no Scripture is available in print? When does Rome organize such an effort?
I have seen missionaries on EWTN who work in Papua New Guinea, I doubt that they don't have materials to teach the Faith to them.
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Originally posted by Joel Badal:
Let's not discuss the Deutercanonical at this time, since Rome enlisted the Apocrypha as part of the Canonical record at the Council of Trent, but deal only with the 66 books which has been historically proven to be God's word by both groups. Pastor Joel, Glory to Jesus Christ! I too am a man who loves Sacred Scripture. Respectfully, though, the Canon with the Deuterocanonical texts can be traced back earlier than Trent. Here is a website with the details: http://soma.npa.uiuc.edu/~dbranch/script_cath/CANON.HTM God bless, Gordon
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Perceptions vary. The point is mute in any event, as the gentleman has answered my question. I�ll leave the discussion of incomplete Protestant translations of the Holy Bible to you and others. And before it is said, this aspect is material to this particular thread � �Who Should Translate the Scripture� � obviously not those who deliberately chose to leave out entire portions of Sacred Scripture.
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According to Eugene Nida, an expert on Dynamic Equivalence, he says that people can only hear the word truly through their receptor language...that is the language which speaks to the heart. If the tribal group speaks a particular language that only speaks to them, the task of mission should be to learn their tones, culture, and vocab. We can not impose another language, such as a trade language (French, English, or German). So what would you do?
Trent:
I would disagree with the prior response. Trent authorized the Deutercanonical books over 1200 years later after the church fathers ratified a complete 39 books OT and 27 NT.
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Yes, the Deuterocanoncial is another subject of its own. We probably could fill the pages.
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Trent:
I would disagree with the prior response. Trent authorized the Deutercanonical books over 1200 years later after the church fathers ratified a complete 39 books OT and 27 NT. Which "church fathers ratified a complete 39 books OT and 27 NT"? Certainly not the father of protestantism - Martin Luther - he excluded James, Revelation, Hebrews, Jude, Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, Esdras, Wisdom, and many others. Yes, the Deuterocanoncial is another subject of its own. We probably could fill the pages. Why do you get to arbitrarily exclude the books that both Catholics and Orthodox (the two largest groups in Christendom) view as inspired? This is not "another subject" at all, but one very pertinent to the topic - Who Should Translate the Scripture? Those who are authorised to do so by the Church and faithfully preserve the whole of Scripture.
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And who decides which books belong in the Bible? The Bible Alone (Sola Scriptura) tells us nowhere which books actually belong in it, and it references other books which are now lost and/or are full of heretical gobbledygook.
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This is an embarrassing moment for the Forum.
Pastor Bedal came here to ask questions of us. He did not come here to condemn us or to convert us to his denomination.
And what have we done? We have attacked him with our uncharity, especially the last post by Eric. I really hope he does not take that attitude with new patients as soon as he learns that they are Protestant!
Please everyone go and look at my post to Isaac from last night at 10:58 PM.
I am closing this thread. Moderators are asked to close all thread where such uncharity reigns.
I ask Pastor Bedal to start a new thread if he wishes to discuss this issue further.
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