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#133526 08/13/04 02:58 PM
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Sorry I had forgotten about this thread.

Bless me Father Stephanos.

Actually I had never in all my studies of the Canon come across an official statement from the Eastern Catholic Churches on your Canon and so I naturally(?) assumed that your Canon was the same as the Western Catholic Church. Forgive my ignorance. Perhaps the fact that the Canon of my Church is historically the same as the Western Catholic Church's Canon may have affected my judgment, though certainly not consciously.

I of course defer to your knowledge. I make one addition to your comment. Though Bible societies may have taken the leading role in the formation of the Canon of the Protestant communities in England, such Canon could not have become established without the support of the governing body.

As regards the Puritans, theirs is a complicated history, but I do stand by my original statement that they had no actual power in England. The English monarchs have always sought a middle ground between Catholicism and the Calvinistic Protestantism of the Puritans, and in the times when the Puritans seem to have gained an ascendance, it was exhibited in rebellion against the monarchy, merely demonstrating my point.

Regarding the Syrian Canon, history records that even after the settlement of the Canon in the fourth century, doubts about the Catholic Epistles and Revelation persisted in the Syrian Church. I believe that when the OO came into contact with the WCC in 1948 (don't quote me on this), Revelation was still not wholly accepted by the Syrian Church. Several Protestant bodies had talks with the Syrian Church regarding this, but I forget what the outcome was. Much of this info can be obtained from Roger Beckwith's "The Old Testament Canon in the New Testament Church." There are other sources but it has been a while since I cracked open my books on the Canon. Ray, if you want further info on it, let me know, and I will take the time to shake the dust off my books.

Blessings,
Marduk

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An interesting read on the Old Testament canon by Joel Kalvesmaki (editor of Church Fathers series at Catholic University of America and an Orthodox Christian):

http://students.cua.edu/16kalvesmaki/otcanon.htm

At the bottom of this article is a link to a companion piece on the NT Canon, entitled "Do Not Add to These Words," which is also interesting to read.

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Slava Isusu Christu!
Glory to Jesus Christ.

Below is some more information that I have found on the internet (source "appears" fine).

Apocrypha

(Protestant)

1. Books & Additions to Esther in the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Slavonic Bibles

Tobit
Judith
Additions to the Book of Esther
Wisdom of Solomon
Ecclesiasticus (or the Wisdom of Jesus, Son or Sirach)
Baruch
The Letter of Jeremiah (Baruch ch. 6)
The Additions to the Greek Book of Daniel:
The Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Jews
Susanna
Bel and the Dragon

1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees

2. Books & Additions to Esther in the Greek Orthodox, & Slavonic Bibles, not Roman Catholic

1 Esdras (called 2 Esdras in Slavonic, 3 Esdras in Appendix to Vulgate)
Prayer of Manasseh (in Appendix to Vulgate)
Psalm 151, following Psalm 150 in the Greek Orthodox Bible
3 Maccabees

3. Books in the Slavonic Bible & Appendix to Vulgate

2 Esdras (called 3 Esdras in Slavonic and 4 Esdras in the Appendix to Vulgate)
Note: In the Latin Vulgate, Ezra-Nehemiah are called 1 and 2 Esdras

4. Books in Appendix to Greek Orthodox Bible

4 Maccabees

List is based on that of The New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha, New Revised Version, (1994)


Website is http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/apocot.stm

Is the above information correct? I do recall reading this once upon a time elsewhere.

Michael (a sinner)

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