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Non nomen.Yeah, I sort of thought you were saying that - I just elaborated and added my 2 cents. smile

To find a good answer to your question probably a good idea to ask your priest or pastor which version they read. I think the New Revised Standard Version, Catholic Ed. a good translation. At least it is one I am coming to appreciate and prefer these days.

Any scholar who tries to translate from or has translated from the original versions needs to be well versed on the language and what it meant in the times in which it was written, how it was written, and when it was written and by whom? Good scholars are balanced in translation and interpretation.

I have noticed that many evangelical preachers(especially on t.v.), interpret it entirely on their own, and seem to be reading much into the text and jumping to certain conclusions to make a desired point. The scriptures can stand for themselves without that.

To me overly modernized tranlations do take liberty(might want to say license) and go too far in a bending over backwards manner in order to comform to contemporary standards. Not saying those views are necessarily right or even moral - just popular. Is 'watering down' too simplistic to say here? wink That's my 2 cents more.

Bless your day!

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For a translation a little more "entertaining"(?).

The story from npr:

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1321865

Click on the "morning edition audio" link.

The link for the aussie bible.

Of course, it's Protestant and has Protestant ideas in it (This is like my blood). It's a good laugh, anyway.

http://www.theaussiebible.com.au/jesusisbaptised.html

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How much liberty can be taken with the sacred texts in making them understandable to the modern mind?

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Obviously, accuracy of the translation is critical. The texts have to keep the meanings that the Church has understood and approved over time. As for poetry, one person's poetry can be another's stilted language. I agree that this much can be subjective. But the degree of accuracy must not change for a translation to be "good."

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For a translation a little more "entertaining"(?).

I listened to the excerpt from The Aussie Bible. That's the best laugh I have had today, especially that the shepherds "will find the little nipper wrapped in a bunny rug."

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Mary Jo - After what we've been discussing and subjecting ourselves to, I don't think anything is "too simplistic". :p By the grace of God, I've had two absolutely incredible teachers for Scripture Study, though I never thought to ask them the question I raised...

...If it looks like I'll be missing the fireworks on the 4th, I think I'll give Dr. Vall both the Aussie and Good as New "translations" and just watch. cool

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Translation of the bible in a simple form can bring people to really read and understand our Lord but putting it out there as a form of funky entertainment? Please, have some respect for the beauty of the word and our Lord!!!!!! In Christ, Tari

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They've gotten to the Creed, too...or are trying to... mad

http://one.gn.apc.org/Creed.htm#Top

Gaudior, who would like to remind them of the meaning of the verb "to smite".

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Personally speaking for myself, I use the RSV The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the deutero canonical books.
However there is a multiplicity in my library.
I must get the NRSV Catholic edition if only for the Catholic footnotes.
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Can someone tell me why the great need to "modernize" everything?? Can we not leave something to tradition? Tari

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Just a quick look through the insightful commentary on the Creed so kindly provided by Gaudior...

"the Bible has been excellently served by publications going back over a century discussing its meaning."

"Jesus as king and lord is not helpful for us today. We need to use what is for us the best form of government and ascribe it to Jesus."

"The creed then goes on to describe Jesus as son in relation to God the Father using difficult phrases like begotten, not made and light from light. These can be understood by understanding the theological controversies of the time" - Really?

" A basic definition of Jesus is made here; although being Son of God, Jesus existed before the creation of the world and is of the nature of God rather than of the created world." Unless I'm mistaken, even Arius would agree there...

"The influence of Jesus continued after his death so that his followers experienced it as if he was alive with them. They used the idiom to express this of resurrection after death common among the religions of the time."

"Those of us who have difficulty with such a Resurrection argue that we stress the immanence of the divine, that there is no beyond the normal, miraculous, transcendent world where God really lives. God exists in the same world of the laws of nature that we live in."

"Within the boundary were the churches of the Roman Empire. Outside were the churches in the east, in Iran, India and later in China, which were given the name Nestorian and the churches in the south in Egypt and Ethiopia which were called Monophysite. These were all regarded as heretical so that they were no longer included in church deliberations."

"there is an opinion that the formation of a creed as it was done in the early church leads to fragmentation, indeed that the motive of writing the creed was to exclude those of a different point of view. This fragmentation should be avoided and therefore creeds should not be drawn up."

"In my own life I will take when I was once sitting on a park bench, my left arm stretched along the bench top. A blue tit came and perched for a few seconds on my finger. It was a difficult time in my life. After the blue tit flew off again I took some action to make things better. The coming of the bird had meaning for me partly because I knew it was unusual for this species, compared to robins and sparrows, to come so close to humans. And the event immediately struck chords with the thousands of years from my Jewish/Christian background of the interaction of God and man. I can see that if I had lived in mediaeval times I would have seen not a blue tit but an angel on my finger."


...It goes on and on and on and on. Gaudior, he's not worth getting mad at. He's just too ignorant of the world beyond self-help books and the tip of his nose. It's much more fun to laugh at his ideas, anyway. smile

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Oh, I admit it...the blue tit/angel thing had me roaring with laughter!

What a clown!

Gaudior, who was only ever annoyed that he felt it his bounden duty to destroy the Creed, rather than read any of the actual books that might explain it... :rolleyes:

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Stephanos,

The NRSV is atrocious. Save your money and wait for the Igantius Press RSV-CE Second Edition with notes and commentary by Dr. Scott Hahn. The Gospels, Revelation and some Epistles are already available as individual boooks.

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Deacon Lance,

I started using the NRSV Catholic Edition because it was listed in the Byzantine Daily Prayers as a source on this website.

You wrote: The NRSV is atrocious! Strong words.

Please qualify that! I can understand you might prefer and think the newer translation with comments by Scott Hahn is better, but the other is "atrocious"?? Why so?


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Does anyone know where I could find a compact travel-Bible that does not have inclusive language?

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Mother Angelica has been able to get the 1966 version of the Jerusalem Bible reprinted. It is around $35, or you can get it with the bible cover like she has on hers I think for around $50, you can purchase it from EWTNs website. No inclusive languge in it, but it isn't very small either.

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