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Originally posted by Pani Rose:
This may sound dumb!
Why do they call it an inauguration instead of an enthronment?
I mean is it like they put into office a person voted on by a democrasy or something, come on! Rose, I have to agree with you - I, too, found "inauguration" to be a poor choice of terms. "Enthronement" or even "installation" would have been preferable to my ear, given that coronation is no longer appropriate (and I do agree with that decision). Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Originally posted by AntonI:
Oh cheers...they look quite young though! Guess that Flemish-Belgium air is good for you!
Anton, King Albert is 70 or 71 years of age; Queen Paola will be 70 in 2007. A recent photo [whitehouse.gov] of them with President and Mrs. Bush suggests that the Queen, indeed, wears her years lightly. Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Yes, John Paul II served - after a fashion - the Divine Liturgy at least three times. But he did not use Byzantine vestments, and therefore did not use either the tiara or a Byzantine mitre, which is what got this sub-thread going.
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Thank you for those pictures of the Divine Liturgy in Saint Peter's, Two Lungs! I find that to be very exciting, to say nothing of the way His Holiness had his inaugaration conducted.
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Dear Photius, Yes - I am a BIG supporter of Monarchy and Orthodox Monarchy rates HIGHLY with me!  (I don't have a crown or sakkos, but I do have purple house shoes . . .). I'm going to get a pair of crowns for my 25th wedding anniversary next year . . . I also have a copy of the special lapel Cross surmounted by the Crown of St Vladimir Monomachos given by Tsar St Nicholas Romanov . . . I just love this thread, don't you? Alex
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Dr Alex
I just remembered another king I liked. Alfred The Great.
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I thought the East well represented and the concept of the Universal Church well represented. Notice all the different ethnicity represented? As the grandaughter of Hungarian immigrants, I took special notice of the Hungarian and Croatian persons presenting the gifts. I think our new Pope wants to show the world our universal Church.
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Neil... Cheers for that...then the couple I saw could not have been the Belgiums because they were really young and I cannot figure who else would be allowed to wear the white mantilla... A puzzled Anton 
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How about double-headed eagle cufflinks, such as Greek bishops are wont to wear? Although I've paid relatively little attention to the papal festivities, it being Great Lent now, I did notice that Benedict wears a French-cuffed shirt under his cassock, which maybe is something positive that the Greeks will find in him. Photius --- Commence original Message --- Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic: Dear Photius, Yes - I am a BIG supporter of Monarchy and Orthodox Monarchy rates HIGHLY with me! (I don't have a crown or sakkos, but I do have purple house shoes . . .). I'm going to get a pair of crowns for my 25th wedding anniversary next year . . . I also have a copy of the special lapel Cross surmounted by the Crown of St Vladimir Monomachos given by Tsar St Nicholas Romanov . . . I just love this thread, don't you? Alex
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Dear AntonI: This is a portion of a Zenit news item re royal attendees at the inaugural mass: . . . From reserved places on the right of the Vatican esplanade, the rite was followed by royal houses, among them the King Juan Carlos and Queen Sof�a of Spain; the Duke of Edinburgh, husband of Queen Elizabeth II of England; and the heirs to the Belgian throne.
Also present was William of Holland; the Grand Dukes of Luxembourg, Henry and Teresa; and Prince Albert of Monaco, with a black band on his chest as a sign of mourning for his recently deceased father, Prince Rainier. . . The couple you saw might be either the heirs to the Belgian throne or the Grand Duke and Grand Duchess of Luxembourg. I haven't had the opportunity to watch the replay, so I am guessing.  Amado
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To provide my own two-cents worth of comment: I though the Eastern elements during both the funeral of John Paul II and the "inauguration" of Benedict XVI were appropriate and tasteful.
Remember, this was a media event like the Church has not seen before. And it was inded the first opportunity that many (perhaps most?) of the world's Roman Catholics had to witness elements of the Eastern traditions of Christianity.
There was a comment here a couple of days ago about most westerners being put off by Eastern liturgical music. To be honest, if it's the first time they've heard it, e.g. the gospel and responses chanted in Greek on Sunday, it will appear somewhat strange to them, probably even "unorthodox" in their own minds.
And it was a liturgy for the bishop of Rome, so it wouldn't make sense to try to achieve some mixture of Eastern & Western in the liturgy.
I am convinced it is not the last time Roman Catholics will hear and observe the Eastern liturgical tradition practiced inthe presence of the Pope. So considering the circumstances, I think the use of Eastern elements was appropriate.
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Originally posted by Photius:
Although I've paid relatively little attention to the papal festivities, it being Great Lent now, I did notice that Benedict wears a French-cuffed shirt under his cassock, which maybe is something positive that the Greeks will find in him.
Photius If you look at the pictures of Benedict XVI's presentation to the City of Rome just after his election, you'll note that he was not wearing French cuffs. When was the last time a cardinal wasn't wearing French cuffs? He certainly did not get dressed that morning thinking he would be elected the Bishop of Rome.
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Originally posted by AntonI:
I cannot figure who else would be allowed to wear the white mantilla...
Were the clothing police there to make sure you wore the right color of mantilla? Being Byzantine, I never knew there was a color code. I'd have been kicked out for sure. Tammy
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Thus posted Deacon John Montalvo:
> Photius If you look at the pictures of Benedict
> XVI's presentation to the City of Rome just after
> his election, you'll note that he was not
> wearing French cuffs. When was the last time a
> cardinal wasn't wearing French cuffs?
Father John,
I can't figure out if this is a serious or rhetorical question ... I've never seen a cardinal in person and never paid attention to what they wear aside from clerical garb. In parts of Greece, it's usually easy to discern who is a monastic in a monastery from a monastic in the world because the latter seem to always wear French cuffs.
> He certainly did not get dressed that morning
> thinking he would be elected the Bishop of
> Rome.
The single picture I predicated this inane thread on was taken on the day of his inauguartion mass.
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Thus posted stojgniev: > There was a comment here a couple of days ago about most > westerners being put off by Eastern liturgical music. To be > honest, if it's the first time they've heard it, e.g. the gospel > and responses chanted in Greek on Sunday, it will appear > somewhat strange to them, probably even "unorthodox" in their > own minds. As I recall, in the pre-Vatican II days, at a Papal mass, the Epistle and Gospel were chanted in both Greek and Latin. Presumably, this was in Gregorian Chant. And, I assume, that at the inaugural Mass, that whatever Greek was used was sung in Gregorian chant or in some other diatonic, western music. My experience is that most Westerners do not like Eastern music at first hearing, and some even find it "dreadful" or "painful"; I love it, but this is my experience in trying to share it with Western friends. Below are a few links I have bookmarked that I share so that you may form your own opinion ... and I do hope you like it! Photius Byzantine Music: http://www.sv-luka.org/chants/indexmedch.html http://chant.theologian.org/index_audio.html Coptic Music: http://tasbeha.org/
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