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I took the liberty to go see the new movie, �Luther,� yesterday afternoon. Like many contemporary movies these days, I was somewhat worried that another religious figure would be portrayed in the same pot-boiler stereotypes Hollywood likes to use. (I�m thinking of one recent movie on St. Joan of Arc, where she was portrayed as a lunatic and her visions � as documented in the movie � were sensationalist and had nothing to do with the saints).

The movie was quite good, except for one scene of Martin preaching (still as a Catholic priest) where one can see the microphone hanging above from the boom. The editors had to cut the top off the film in later scenes probably because they didn�t notice how bad it looked for Der Reformer preaching in the early 16th Century with such technology.

This movie, too, had its distributor problems (not as bad as �The Passion� movie is having) and it is noted by Rev. Paul T. McCain:

�A major Hollywood distributor said that he loved the movie and wanted
to distribute it, but he had one condition. He asked for all the "Christ
stuff" to be taken out. It wasn't. Thank goodness. I appreciate how the
movie revolves around the theological issues, and doesn't make Luther out to
be a social revolutionary or champion of free speech or any of the assorted
other misunderstandings of Luther that are often offered up (PBS special!).�

I have to say that the message of Christ was the primary focus in the movie. Even when some radical zealots took the liberty to make Luther�s reformatory message a political and deformatory message, one can see how Martin was totally disgusted with their interpretation of his writings. But, of course, like Jesus and Paul, there is the ongoing search for the historical Luther.

The critic referenced above also states:

�We can be thankful that the movie does not pander to "political correctness"
but shows the reality of those years and the faults and failings of all
concerned.�

Political correctness? I guess there wasn�t any ADL of the Catholic Church asking the producer/directors to remove any negative aspects about the Church in Luther�s time. Selling indulgences was left in and the point was direct and made well. But the Church today doesn�t sell indulgences anymore; they just have Bingo halls.

One special note about he realism of the movie, and I point this out because the upcoming movie on Jesus� Passion has this particular issue a major characteristic of its portrayal: the gruesome reality of violence. Rev. McCain continues with:

�The scenes of death in the movie are graphic. There are no
battle sequences, but the results of the peasant war are graphically
presented, along with several images of hangings. This is not a movie for
younger children, nor should it be. The portrayal of violence is necessary
to show just how powerful an impact the results of Luther's work and its
misinterpretation were.�

All in all, any attempt to portray so much available material in such a short time is a daunting task. �Luther� is quite good and I highly recommend its viewing.

One can come away from the movie with the feeling that Jesus and the Gospel doesn't matter even for today. Grand temples, titles galore in front and back of one's name, political machinery, pure pressure to follow the game rules of the rat pack, and such always seem to cloud the 'message' and identity of what it means to be a Christian.

I contemplate today how many people still don't know much about the Bible and have to listen to the TV evangelists to find out. Many still concern themselves with beard lengths, styles of vestments and cassocks, headgear, protocol, the message of the canon law, etc. In a way, all churches need reform. But I am thinking here of our individual need to get on the Theosis track.

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No offense, J Thur, but are you Catholic or Orthodox?

Doesn't seem like you're Catholic, or you surely would have noticed many of the glaring erros of the film, as reported by the National Catholic Register:

http://www.decentfilms.com/commentary/luther.html

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More troubling is the filmmakers� apologetical manipulation of the facts of its hero�s life. It�s one thing for the film to avoid Luther�s notorious anti-Semitism, which is especially associated with his declining years after the period depicted in the film. On the other hand, it was solidly in the midst of the film�s events that we find the historical Luther declaring that no man can be saved unless he renounce the papacy; that Luther�s own doctrine cannot �be judged by anyone, even by the angels. He who does not receive my doctrine cannot be saved�; that those unconvinced of Luther�s views must �hold their tongues and believe what they please�; that even �unbelievers should be forced to� attend church, and outwardly conform� (cf. Will Durant, The Story of Civilization, vol. 6, pp. 357, 422).

Needless to say, such pronouncements go against the film�s portrayal of Luther as a champion of �religious freedom.� Of this aspect of its hero�s religious views, Luther is conspicuously silent.

The film similarly shows Luther�s horror and grief over the massacre of over 100,000 peasants by the German princes in response to the peasant uprising � but fails to reveal that Luther himself, in a vituperative essay called �Against the Murdering and Thieving Hordes of Peasants,� specifically called upon the princes to show no mercy in crushing the uprising. This selective depiction creates the impression that the guilt and remorse we see Luther feeling over the peasant massacre is simply due to his awareness of how distortions of his own teachings played a role in the peasant revolt � which, since that seems not to have been Luther�s fault, implies that Luther was in no way implicated in the peasant massacre, when in fact he was.

The film is equally careful to exculpate Luther of rebellious intent regarding the pope, showing his respect and deference for Leo as late as his 1518 interview with Cardinal Cajetan � yet it never hints at Luther�s identification of the pope as the Antichrist years earlier, even before the 1517 publication of his 95 Theses. In fact, we never hear Luther associating the papacy with the Antichrist, though he did so repeatedly.

In Luther, representatives of Catholic orthodoxy, especially papal representatives such as Cardinal Cajetan, are always shown dismissively refusing to debate or engage Luther, instead imperiously insisting that he recant without argument. Certainly Luther did meet with such treatment at times; yet the impression conveyed by the film is that no one on the Catholic side was ever interested in engaging and refuting Luther�s novel ideas. That Johann Eck, for example, publicly debated both Luther and Carlstadt � and seems to have had the best of the debates, incidentally � is not something one would ever guess from this film. Of course the filmmakers can�t show everything; but why must they consistently omit whatever facts might suggest that Luther�s adversaries were anything but unreasonable and imperious?

Pope Leo X, no hero in the annals of the bishops of Rome, comes off even worse in the film than he really was. Of the man who has been described as �the most genial of popes� (Durant, 346) there is no hint; instead, the film�s Leo (Uwe Ochsenknecht) is a dour, calculating villain free of redeeming qualities. The film alleges that Leo X put a bounty on Luther�s head, but neglects to show Leo sending orders that Luther�s safe passage from the Diet of Worms was to be respected.

Tetzel comes off even worse. Luther is as ready to believe and represent the worst of him as it is to believe the best about Luther. For example, the film credits the scandalous rumor, alluded to by Luther, that Tetzel claimed to absolve with his indulgences even one who (per impossibile) �violates the mother of God,� though Tetzel indignantly denied saying this and had eyewitness testimony to back up his claims.

It must be noted that Luther does show one Catholic priest in a sympathetic and positive light: Johann von Staupitz (Bruno Ganz), Luther�s mentor. Many Protestants respectfully acknowledge von Staupitz as a devout Christian who was instrumental in helping Luther grasp the gospel of grace, though he remained a Catholic to the end and was horrified at Luther�s religious revolt. Cajetan, too, is not entirely negatively portrayed � he comes off better than Leo, anyway � and there�s some sympathy for the anonymous priests we see under attack in the peasant uprising.

In a word, Luther is no Magdalene Sisters. However, von Staupitz is clearly the exception to the rule. And certainly the film shows nothing that in any way reflects negatively on its hero.

Luther is equally uncritical in its positive estimation of the Reformation itself. Among judicious Protestants the Reformation has often been called a �tragic necessity� � necessary, in this view, because of what the Catholic Church had become, but tragic because it split Western Christendom, opened the door to further splintering among Protestants, and created a stumbling-block to reception of the gospel. Luther, however, evinces almost none of this ambiguity; von Staupitz�s misgivings aside, the Reformation is seen as a wholly positive thing, a triumph of religious freedom and conscience.

Still more problematic are Luther�s distortions of the Catholic doctrines of indulgences, which, along with relics, are its main theological target. (Curiously, the film basically bypasses the central issues of sola fide and sola scriptura, as well as the sacrifice of the Mass, the priesthood, and other major Catholic�Protestant bones of contention.)

The film perpetuates a confusion common among Protestants regarding references to indulgences of so many �days,� here taken to mean so many fewer days in purgatory, whereas in fact it refers to the equivalent of so many days of penance on earth.

The film also confuses indulgences with absolution from sin itself, from guilt � which is hardly credible, since absolution from sin was obviously always freely available to all Catholics everywhere in the confessional, a major institution of 16th-century Catholic life. That indulgences offer only remission of temporal punishments due to sins already repented of and forgiven � a fact clarified at the time by Leo himself � is not mentioned.

One of the film�s most egregious distortions is its portrayal of Luther�s German translation of the Bible as the first of its kind, and a thing forbidden and feared by Rome. In fact Catholic German scholars had produced at least eighteen previous German Bibles with Church approval (Durant, 369).

That�s not to deny the significance of Luther�s achievement: His Bible, though flawed, was superior to previous editions in two important ways. First, where previous editions had been made from the Latin Vulgate, Luther worked from Greek and Hebrew texts. Second, Luther was a great German stylist, and his edition was vigorous and literarily superior to previous editions. Still, in having a character describe the very notion of a German Bible as �the thing Rome fears most,� Luther both falsely maligns Rome, and perpetuates the Protestant canard of the Church �forbidding� the scriptures to the laity.

One gets the distinct impression that at no point in the process did the filmmakers consult with Catholic scholars or historians in order to avoid perpetuating Protestant misunderstandings misimpressions. As a result, they have produced a partisan film that will be edifying to Lutherans, misleading to the uninformed of all stripes, and objectionable to knowledgeable Catholics.

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Originally posted by PaxTecvm:
No offense, J Thur, but are you Catholic or Orthodox? Doesn't seem like you're Catholic, or you surely would have noticed many of the glaring erros of the film, as reported by the National Catholic Register:


I'm neither Latin Catholic or Orthodox. I'm a halfbreed.

So, the movie is just as bad as the Joan of Arc one I saw. This is not good. My "Catholic" history is not too good. I have trouble getting past that John Ireland episode. Maybe another Luther movie should be done by Mel Gibson?

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Yes, Indeed! Luther would of course be portrayed in a good light, he was anti catholic. That is all that the picture industry cares about.
Portraying a heretic in a positive light.
"There I stood" (one time) now "Here I Stand"
God save us from Hollywood and may He preserve in the true orthodox faith.

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Would there be a market for a movie called
"Toth" (or Tovth if you prefer)? I guess you could cast Richard Dryfus as Rev. Alexis Toth and Peter O'toole as Archbishop Ireland! wink

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A film version of Alexis Toth sounds like fun - I'll even buy the video. Can we have a sequel on Stephen Dzubay, and a second sequel on Orestes Chornock? Incognitus

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A Toth/Tovt movie would only be good if you pull a Mel Gibson: film it in po nashomu (with the occasional Latin or Hungarian or Russian) with no subtitles. :p

How about a movie about Saint John Chrysostom called "Golden Mouth"? Any takers? biggrin

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Luther would of course be portrayed in a good light, he was anti catholic. That is all that the picture industry cares about.


Stephanos I
You're saying Hollywood is pro-Lutheran? That alone is the funniest thing I've heard in days.

But even if the secret Lutheran control of the evil, Lucifer-lovin' movin' pitcher biz is true, this film isn't even really a "Hollywood" film.

--Tim Cuprisin

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I'd prefer to see a movie about the life of St Josaphat, with Orthodox on one side of the theatre, and Uniates on the other. And I'd first want to take an intensive crash course in the Ukrainian language.

Seriously though, if you read through Martin Luther's Table Talk, and other notable works, it's very evident that he was one of the most arrogant men in the history of the world. His all time gem was probably that, in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus the man, didn't yet fully understand the difference between law and gospel. Of course, Doktor Luther (unlike Our Saviour) was not lacking in wisdom, and between his bloodthirsty rantings and obsession with bodily functions, did fully understand the differences.

It's a shame that the knight with the rubber chicken, from Monty Python, wasen't around in Luther's day.

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You're saying Hollywood is pro-Lutheran? That alone is the funniest thing I've heard in days.
--Tim Cuprisin
One doesn't have to be pro-anything to be against something.

Anti-Catholicism sells, in all it's many forms.

Michael

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Originally posted by Chtec:
How about a movie about Saint John Chrysostom called "Golden Mouth"? Any takers? biggrin

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Dave,

How do you say, "The road to Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" in Greek? What statement would come from the USCCB on that one?

Golden Mouth, shine away!

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How do you say, "The road to Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" in Greek?
Yes, that would sell!

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Originally posted by J Thur:

How do you say, "The road to Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" in Greek? What statement would come from the USCCB on that one?

Golden Mouth, shine away!
I think the full quote says "The road to hell is paved with the skulls of priests and bishops" so we'll get all the clergy annoyed. wink

What would the United Sellers of Carrots, Cauliflower and Broccoli have to say about my film? No veggies will be harmed in the filming of this movie.

I can see the opening scene now: Chrysostom high on an amvon preaching, scribes muttering among themselves, somebody in the back asks "Blessed are the Greeks?" and... wait, nevermind.

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Paul Hindemith, 20th century neo-classical composer and teacher, had to leave Nazi Germany. He was a Lutheran who refused to ally with the Nazis. His opera "Mathis der Maler", is loosely based on the life of Matthias Grunewald who painted a famous altarpiece among other things. The plot follows Mathis' attempt to be the best painter he can be, when all around him want him to ally himself with one religious faction or another in the ongoing conflict between Catholicism and Protestantism in Germany. The subject was too close to home for the Nazis to permit its performance, and it only received one performance before Hindemith left Germany, until after WWII.

The story of man's inhumanity to man is a long, long tragedy and never is portrayed in a way that all people agree to as fair. It is fortunate that differing views can be aired in our country, whether all agree to them or not.

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Anti-Catholicism sells, in all it's many forms.

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The Luther movie isn't going to "sell."

It's an obscure little film that the vast majority of people (and the overwhelming majority of movie-goers, who are mostly teenagers) will never ever see.

--Tim Cuprisin

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