www.byzcath.org Forums General Discussions Town Hall Mel Gibson On ETWN Yesterday.

"And they have conquered him (Satan) by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony..."

Revelation 12:11a, RSV

Jesus Christ conquers!!

Satan has been defeated.

The "Passion" will proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Paul

Hi,

I said:

You replied:

Which part? The part refering to the "Holy Family" group as an ultra-traditionalist sect, or the part refering to Mel Gibson's membership?


I am not out to judge Mel Gibson or "most Catholics in the USA".

It is very good that Mr. Gibson believes in the sanctity of Life, but that is not enough.

I would never refer to as "Catholic", someone who is not in communion with the Pope of Rome.

Again, it is my understanding that Mel Gibson is still a member of the "Holy Family" sect, and that he is actively supporting the construction project they have in Malibu, California. Membership to this sect implies not being in communion with the Pope of Rome.

He is entitled to his opinions, however, his opinions might break his communion with the Catholic Church.

And I think we are overlooking an important issue, here. Mel Gibson doesn't hesitate to make a buck by showing his private parts on film, more than once being used to sin against the Sixth Commandment. That is something that a good Catholic might need to refuse to do.

This is a common misunderstanding among traditionalists.

This is not correct. As with all General Councils, the Catholic Church believes that the dogmatic definitions issued by the Second Vatican Council are infallible, the rest of the declarations and decrees are not infallible, but they are still binding, because they have not been suppressed by a similar or higher authority.

I think you may still believe that the whole idea of the Council was a mistake, however, given that the Council did take place, if you are a Catholic, you are bound to give the assent of faith to the two Dogmatic Constitutions (LG and DV), and religious obedience to the rest of the Council's documents.

Otherwise, you are going either against the Catholic faith in the first case (heresy), or against the Catholic discipline in the second case (which could lead you to schism, like it did for the SSPX).

Not enough, here they charge $1.15 for the coffe.

I am not issuing judgement, I am simply pointing out that because of his actions and opinions, I don't think Mel Gibson is a member of the Catholic Church in full communion with the Church of Rome.

I think he's still a good actor, and that he *might* have a good film in the making, which is not entirely dependent on his religious affiliation.

Shalom,
Memo.

Dear Friends,

Personally, I don't see what Mel's religious life has to do with his film-making abilities.

How about if we agree he is a Christian with "High Church" Catholic tendencies?

The fact that he is regarded as a "schismatic" by RC's automatically endears him to Eastern Christians, you know . . .

I understand that there was much evil foul-play about during the movie's filming - to the point that he had to have an exorcism conducted (is that correct?).

If that is correct, then anyone or any cause hated and feared by the devil should probably automatically be endearing to us.

No?

Alex

Dear Alex,

You are absolutely right!

In Christ,
Alice

Dear Alice,

Welcome back

Take some advice from me and never let anything some people might say to you here to heart.

Oops! My nose seems to be growing all of a sudden . . .

Did you know that the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate, O.K. Orthoman? ) has glorified a Greek Metropolitan as a Ukrainian Saint?

Yes, Ma'am!

He is St Ignatios of Mariopolis on the Azov Sea.

He brought several thousand Greek residents of the Crimea into Ukraine and away from Muslim government there.

He founded the city of Mariopolis, naming it for the Theotokos. He lived in the 18th century.

Kalo sarisote sto-plio!

Alex

Dear brother Alex,

Thankyou for your post and the information.

In Christ,
Alice

Memo

Mel Gibson has made references to past indiscretions during his acting career, and has also spoken of his recent realization of the importance of his Faith. So, the impression I get, is that he has changed alot for the good.

Dear Lawrence,

Yes, and I told my wife all about Mel's religious devotion.

"Great ass, though," she said, unabashedly . . .

Alex

Alex you are in a wierd mood today . . .

Dear Latin Trad,

Just today?

I just told you what my wife said . . .

O.K., I admit it - I don't always talk like a bishop!

Alex

Friends:

When you hear Alex talks that way, he is NORMAL!

Then, we know he is back with us for good . . . for the moment, at least.

I would never say "Welcome back, Alex" because I personally feel he was, is, and will always be part of us.

Amado

Dear Amado,

Even if I do leave here physically, you and everyone hear will always be in my heart and prayer.

Alex

Memo,

Would you call the Orthodox "Catholic" ?

Alex, I think your better-half should be sent to the "Standards Ministry" in France where the meter, kilogram, etc. are housed. She sounds very much like the prime analogue of normalcy to me. (Apart, of course, from her marriage and conspiracy with you!! )

Blessings!

Alex,
Its been awhile since I have picked on you so here goes..... :p

They do when the film he is making is about religious topics.

Don't know if I can agree to this as, if he is in a group that has separated itself from the Catholic Church how can one call the tendencies Catholic?

I know by the smiley that you meant this is just, but I do believe that there is some truth to this statement which I find very sad.

To say this is wrong, becuase there are other's who are regarded as schismatic and are so becuase they have left the church to ordain woman and other such nonsense.... Are they endeared to Eastern Catholics also?


David