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Greetings all,


By the grace of God, efforts to bring about full, visible union between the Church of Rome and a traditional contingent of the Anglican Communion have been furthered recently.

Indeed, many here know of my fondness for the Anglican liturgy and my ever constant speculation that within my lifetime I would see the fulfillment of an Anglican sui juris church in union with Rome.

Though this of course has yet to materialize, certainly the labors of bringing about such a structure have proven effective and are well underway.

Below is a link to the TAC periodical "The Messenger" which details Anglican Archbishop John Hepworths' commentary on talks between his Church and the Roman Church.

The Messenger [themessenger.com.au]

I hope you all find them useful as well as informative.

Please pray for this worthy endeavor,

ProCatholico

Dear ProCatholico,

And I hope that Rome allows these Anglicans to continue with their liturgical veneration of St Charles, King and Martyr, once the communion is solidified.

I would be very upset if this didn't happen . . .

These Anglicans should fear nothing - once they've come into communion with Rome, I'm sure they'll have the full respect of their liturgical, theological, canonical etc. traditions from the highest Roman authorities.

After all, they're not Eastern Catholics . . .

Alex

Shouldn't they have to return back to their roots and become "Latin" Catholics? They were originally Roman Catholics at least from the 6th or 7th century. That probably means that their Anglican usage would be pretty close to the Novus Ordo anyway because of all of the protestant "advisors" at Vatican II. How different is the Anglican "rite" than the NO?

I would like to see greater usages of the Celtic, Gallic, Mozaribic, Dominican, and Ambrosian Rites in the Western Church... The Western Church is not all Novus Ordo and Tridentine you know...

I went to a TAC "Mass" one time and really didn't care for it at all. I respect others that do, however.

If this Anglican liturgy arose from the Reformation, I don't see why we should allow it into praxis in the Catholic Church. Why can't they use the Sarum Rite Mass, which is fully Catholic? That would be respectful of their particular liturgical patrimony as well as being in full accord with traditional Catholic liturgy, it seems to me.

Logos Teen

The Anglican Use is closest to the Sarum Rite (sort-of an English Tridentine rite).

Here are some links to: Anglican Use [walsingham-church.org] and Another Anglican Use parish [atonementonline.com] .

They used to have a short clip of a video, but that is no longer available. I do have a DVD of the AU liturgy, hopefully I can find somewhere to host it.

I know that the Anglican Use Mass and the Sarum Rite Mass are close, but they are different, no?

I'm not saying I necessarily have a problem with that. I'd be very interested to discuss the differences.

I don't think the Sarum Rite Mass is like an English TLM at all. Different words, actions, ceremonies, etc. They're two totally separate rites.

Logos Teen

Now that I have read the Order of the Anglican Mass, it seems very close to the Novus Ordo. Except, it seems more reverent especially with the inclusion of the litanies in it. Which in the Novus Ordo have been religated to a token place after the creed while the choir is moving about and the ushers are taking up collection.

All,

Among the TAC, there is much discussion as to what liturgy will be employed once the Anglican Catholic Communion is created.

As with Roman Catholicism, these traditinalist Anglicans have differences in the liturgical methods used throughout their provinces.

Some could be termed "low or broad" church while others would be more properly termed "high" church, in speaking of their liturgical worship style. Yet all embrace the Book of Common Prayer (albeit in different versions; due mainly to linguistic factors)

According, to the Most Rev. John Hepworth, As such, for the purpose of edifying those that have never read or seen any version of the BCP, I have an included an online link to the 1928 BCP-US Edition, so that you may be able to view it.

1928 Book of Common Prayer [justus.anglican.org]

Hope this proves helpful,

ProCatholico

All...

I have just thought that it might serve some practical purpose to include some images of TAC church interiors to emphasize a clear difference between most "Novus Ordo" sanctuaries and traditionalist Anglican churches.

St. Stephen\'s Anglican Church (ACA), Athens, TX [ststephensanglican.org]

St. John\'s Anglican Church (ACA), Kansas City, MO [stjohnsanglicanchurch.com]

St. George\'s Church (ACA). Columbus, GA [stgeorgesanglican.net]

ProCatholico

I didn't know Columbus had a traditional Anglican church!

Logos Teen

I think it is forgotten that the Anglican Church is a specturm when it comes to beliefs and practice. All talk of "traditional" and "orthodox" Anglicans makes no sence. they are Evangelicals at one end and Anglo-catholics at the other with heaps of Broad Church folk and other streams of Anglicanism in the middle. I spoke a few years ago to a former Anglican minister who is a Catholic Priest and who as a Catholic was encouraged to return to the Anglican Church as he was a lead candiate to be elected an Anglican Archbishop. I asked his view on having an Anglican Rite. He was very against it. He was of the opinion that the Anglican service was nothing startling at all and that they should return to the Catholic Church where it is now. This priest while married had a few parishes and even became a Dean. He was part of a group of about 4 minsters who had become Catholics together and were all ordained as Catholic Priests. Here is australia it it the very evangelical Archdiocese of Sydney (discribed as the Church of Ireland in Aust.)which is preventing the anything goes as long as we have lots of smells, bells and ritual lot on their toes.

Yeah, that is one really big avatar.

I can't/don't know how to! I need an Admin's help! (And yeah, it is pretty awesome...though I'd much prefer to see Papa in papal vestments rather than bishop's...)

Logos Teen