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Here is the rest of the article:
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=884

We are still uniates in Russia...

I've spoken to many Russian immigrants here, trying to get a handle on whats going on 'there' and what I've basically found is that the Uniates are viewed as a minority religion who can't make up their minds where they want to be. Unfortunately I believe most Catholics see us the same way, if they care to see us at all.


Sam

Dear Sam,

And your point is . . . ?

The article above did NOT actually call us "uniates" but "Greek-Catholics" and only made a reference to the FACT that there are those who do indeed call us "uniates."

I don't know the answer to that. It's like those who continually spell the name of the capital city of Ukraine as "Kiev" to the chagrin of Ukies.

I've also met Orthodox priests who use the term "uniate" in a very respectful way and see nothing wrong with it, even if we ask them NOT to use it.

Again, very much like those who use "Kiev . . ."


Alex

Ok, Lost&Found,
Not nit-picking but where does it mention Russia?
Kyiv is the capitol of the Ukraine (which has been independent for approx. 16 years now).

I think it's because it's Interfax. Notice the English translation does say Kyiv.

I honestly had no idea until I came to this site that people found the word offensive. You see it all over the place in historical sources, including non Orthodox ones.

Andrew

Dear Pyrohy and Andrew,

Andrew is correct. Since this is Interfax, I consider this a Russian report, same as if it were MSNBC, then I would consider that an American report.

That is the basis for my comment.

Thank you.

Michael

Cool. I wasn't being critical, I was just seeing if I myself read wrong.

What is wrong with spelling the English name for that city as Kiev. I also call the country Ukraine and the one next door to it Poland. I dont call that country Polska. They should not be telling others what to call them. What ever next the Germans will be demanding that we call their country Deutschland.

Oh and the point of the thread. Nearly forgot. This is nothing more than a reminder that Catholic clergy are expected by the whole church to stay out of politics and leave that to the laity. Some may recall Pope John-Paul II telling a priest off in Central America who was in the government of his country.

OOOOOOOOOOOH Pavel don't go there :p

We have had umpteen threads on the spelling of Ukraine's capital

Мит&a...;#1083;ади [risu.org.ua]

ODESA - Metropolitan Ahafanhel (Savvin) of Odesa and Ismail, permanent member of the Holy Synod of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) heads the Regions Party candidate list for election to the Odesa oblast council - as reported on 25 January by the site "Religion & Media", according to "Interfax-Ukraine".

The list was confirmed 24 January at a oblast-level meeting of the Regions Party

Metropolitan Ahafanhel took active part in the presidential election campaign, supporting Viktor Yanukovych. During the Soviet era he was a member of the Supreme Council. - {my translation}

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Яну&a...;#1084;еню [pravda.com.ua]

The Regions Party candidate list for Odesa city council is headed by the head of the anti-monopoly committee, Oleksii Kostusiev.
...
The first five on the list also include Abbess Serafima of the Hoy Archangel Michael woman's monastery... - {my translation}

No further comment needed.

Oυτις ημιν φιλει ου φροντιδα | Nemo Nos Diliget Non Curamus

Dear Pavel,

So you insist on "Kiev" do you?

Well then, you, sir, are a . . . wholly well-rounded gentleman!

Alex (who learned his lesson on his last "outing" with the Admynestrator)

Dear Kobzar,

But for those characters, if politics didn't mix with religion, it would be like eating pirozhki without a dip of any kind!

Alex

Alex are you suggesting I am over weight, in the nicest possible way. Less of the "well" if you dont mind. I am working on it.

Dear Pavel,

Not at all - "well rounded" in the "educated, cultured" sense!!

I myself once had quite the spare tire around my middle, like the Administrator . . . (I'm in trouble now!).

Diabetes took care of that . . .

But my dad used to say that those with a paunch were often urged to go into the Priesthood and the paunch itself was called a "Deacon's calling." (With apologies to Fr. Deacon Lance, but I made no mention of any "ritual prayers" here! ).

The paunch is probably from all that motionless standing during the Church services . . .

Alex

Which makes me wonder why all the royal doors in the old Rusyn wooden churches were so small and narrow?