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Dear Remie, At least they did not give him a halo. In American politics, one doesn't get a halo until after death, or at least re-election.  John Pilgrim and Odd Duck
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My question is, "Who is the Latin/Anglican in surplice and stole"?
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Besides which, it's NOT an Icon!
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The only similar cases I know like this, are in a Roman parish of Moneterrey, Mexico, where President Salinas was depicted shaking hands with Jesus in a very sui generis image, and in Romanian Greek-Catholic parish, where Nadia Comaneci and a polititian were depcted in an icon too. 
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I have seen numerous examples of Kozak period icons which include hetmans and other kozak figures. Also, benefactors/those funding construction of churches are often included in icons - though always without halos.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by KO63AP:
"Also, benefactors/those funding construction of churches are often included in icons - though always without halos."
In the rebuilt Church of the Icon of the Morther of God of Kazan at Red Square in Moscow, there is a fresco depicting patriarch Alexy II (without a halo!) blessing the foundation stone of the reconstructed church.
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Dear Friends,
Yes, the Kozak genre of the Protection Icon includes kozaks and even military weapons!
One parish I know has even had an icon written of a former parishioner who died in the odour of sanctity, having contributed much to parish life. He is depicted sans halo, of course, but in a position with hands folded over his chest that can leave no doubt as to how he was considered in his lifetime.
Emperors and Empresses in the Byzantine Empire were often not only depicted in iconography, but also included in the Calendar of Saints for their benefactions to the Church - the Greeks have 20 such Sovereigns listed.
Whether or not they were very pious had little to do with this, it was a function of them using their considerable wealth and power to assist the Church.
A royal personage who became a monk was almost assured of becoming a saint after his or her repose.
Most of these Emperor-saints do not have a liturgical cult but are only listed in the Calendar by way of simple commemoration only.
My old parish used to write in the names of those who paid for a section of iconography on the church walls - yech!
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
My old parish used to write in the names of those who paid for a section of iconography on the church walls - yech!
Alex Quite like the tradition in some Anglican parishes of buying one's own "family pew"
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I think that a certain level of "inculturation" in the icons as the kosak ones you described is good, when the special characters of the Eastern iconography and the basic style is preserved, but those "modern" "icons" of that parish are not eastern at all, I think. 
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That makes another famous Estonian in the Eastern Church. Of course we can't forget about the great ecumenist( , none other than Patriarch Alexei of Moscow. He is not a Great Russian, he is an ethnic Estonian! Slava Estonia Kraju! Ung-Certez
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wow I thought he was from german origin, from Kaliningrad, but if he's Estonian it explains why he was so angry with the EP!
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Dear Alex, We must realize that sinners build the buildings and pay the bills. We should also realize that gratitude is an attitude. Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
. . . One parish I know has even had an icon written of a former parishioner who died in the odour of sanctity, having contributed much to parish life. . . .
My old parish used to write in the names of those who paid for a section of iconography on the church walls - yech!
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Dear John,
Yes, fair ball!
Our parish used to also read out the names of those who contributed to the parish, nomatter how small the donation, as a way to get people to give more.
I'm just wondering out loud if that is a good way to "train" people in the ways of the Gospel in this regard.
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