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I found this interesting prayer on the official Archdiocese of San Francisco website. I am not sure what I think about it. Any thoughts?

BLESSING OUR ONENESS [sfarchdiocese.org]

I think it's a New-Age crock! I can be more blunt if you like. This is one of those things where you have to consider the source. I have seen other things that make me wonder if the Faith even survives there. The folks who originated that will probably go on a retreat somewhere and look for the spirit. How much do want to bet that spirit is brown and fuzzy, and looks like a bear? Now the way to properly commune with the spirit is to get naked and beat a drum. That rocks! All kidding aside, it's obviously pantheistic.

Agree, new age with maybe some American Indian overtones to it. BE CAREFUL!

Greetings to all.

Many many years ago, when I was in my "lost" stage, I travelled quite frequently for my company. On a trip to New Orleans, I went to a shop off of Bourbon St, (once there), and had a travel charm made for me. The lady provided me with a prayer similar to above that was used to invoke or activate the charm via the power of 4 of the 7 Archangels.

I invoked the charm, and the charm either saved or almost cost me my life that evening at the hotel, and I gave the charm away a few days later to a co-worker raised in Shreveport who knew how to handle something like this, and learned a very important lesson!

Michael

Michael, I know what you mean. I don't fear such things, but experience has taught me that some things are not to be messed with.

ByzanTn,

Still have that drum? May I borrow it?

This prayer is a mockery of both Christian and Native American Prayer. It can not be called Christian becasue it does not address one of the Trinity. It is insulting to Native Americans because it rips off their most sacred prayer form the prayer of the offering of the pipe to the six directions which they screw up by combinig earth and the Great Spirit and further degrades it by replacing their prayers with new age shlock.

If anyone is interested in the real history of the above prayer form I recommend:
The Sacred Pipe: Black Elk's Account of the Seven Rites of the Oglala Sioux

This book is by Nicholas Black Elk a Oglala convert to Catholicism who in this book explains how the Native Americans spirituality was a preparation for receiving Faith in Christ. I post a small biography of this man who I belive has had a cause for sainthood started.


Nicholas Black Elk, Catechist
by Caroline and Rod Lorenz

Black Elk's life spanned two very different eras. He lived and knew well the ancient spiritual traditions of his people. Many books have been written about his early life as a medicine man.

Less well known is his life as an apostle for Christ among the plains tribes. He never went to school; yet he acquired a deep understanding of the Catholic faith. His gentle wisdom and holy life will surely inspire Catholics of every nation.

When Black Elk was a child in the 1860s, the Oglala Sioux still roamed free on the plains. They had little idea of how much or how soon their way of life would be changed forever.

At age nine, he experienced a great vision which influenced him for the rest of his life. He felt that he had been chosen for some special purpose, and struggled to understand what this could mean. Later, he learned the ways of a healer and eventually became a medicine man.

As a young man he witnessed the defeat of Custer at the Little Big Horn and the tragedy of Wounded Knee. Later, when the Sioux were forced onto reservations, he joined Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show and toured the U.S. and Europe.

The Jesuits
By 1882 the buffalo were gone. Spotted Tail and Red Cloud, chiefs among the Brule and Lakota tribes, decided to invite the Jesuits to their reserves. These "Black Robes" had gained the respect of the plains tribes, and the chiefs wanted their help in dealing with the whites, and in learning new ways to survive. Also, the Sioux were a deeply spiritual people, and many wanted to learn the Christian teaching.

The U.S. government, never a friend of the Catholic Church, opposed this move. But the Sioux leadership insisted, and in 1886 the Jesuits came to live among them. These men soon became fluent in the Lakota language. People were drawn by their teaching and a few asked for baptism.

Conversion
Black Elk's boyhood friend Kills Brave became a Catholic, and asked him to think about it too. He put off this request until a chance meeting in 1904 which marked a crossroads in his life. That November, he was called upon to doctor a dying boy. He went immediately with his medicines and everything he needed for the ceremony. But, at the boy's lodge, he found himself face to face with a Black Robe who had also come to anoint the boy and pray for him.

Black Elk sensed that he was encountering a spiritual power far greater than his own. He was curious about this, and when the priest invited him to stay awhile at the mission, he accepted. There, his interest in the Christian faith grew into a firm conviction of its truth.

He recognised, in Christ, the true 'Red Road' of all creation, and turned to him with his whole heart and soul. On December 6th he was baptised and took the name of Nicholas. He felt that the Lord had "selected him" to lead his people into this new way. In this was the true fulfilment of his vision and the real work of his life.

The Catechists
The priests were few so they appointed men as catechists to help them. One of the first was Nicholas Black Elk. They met regularly for special days of training and prayer. On Sundays, when no priest was available, they led a service of hymns and prayers, and, after reading the scripture, they would instruct the people. When necessary, they baptised, buried the dead, and visited the sick. Most of all, the catechists were trained to teach converts about the Catholic faith.

Black Elk taught himself to read, and immersed himself in the study of the Bible and of prayer books written in Lakota. His friend John Lone Goose recalled, "Nick wanted to teach God's word to the people. So he kept on learning, learning, learning. Pretty soon he learned what the Bible meant, and that it was good. He said, 'I want to be a catechist the rest of my life. I want it that way from here on!'

"He'd go around preaching with the priests. Lots of people turned to the Catholic Church through Nick's work. He never talked about the old ways. All he talked about was the Bible and Christ. The old, young, mixed blood, even the white man, everybody that comes to him he teaches, from the Bible, from his heart."

Trials
Black Elk did not have an easy time of it. He had to suffer for his new faith. Some people made fun of him and said vicious things about him. He told his daughter Lucy, "At first they called me names and said that I was the devil. But I was a catechist, so I never paid any attention to them. Pretty soon they quieted down and started coming to me. I found out that the ones who said those bad things about me were the ones most easily converted into the Church. They'd come and tell me this problem and that problem, and just by looking at their faces I could understand what kind of people they are in their hearts."

Things old and new
While Black Elk fully accepted the Catholic faith, he believed that many of the old ways had come from God. He often compared his people to the Israelites who waited for Christ. He said, "God prepared us before the missionary came. Our ancestors used the pipe to know God. That's a foundation! But from the old country came Christ from heaven -- a wonderful thing -- the Son of God. And the Indian cares about this."

He used both the pipe and the rosary in his prayer, and saw a connection between the old ceremonies and Christianity. But, just as God had given the old ways to the First Nations, he believed that now Christ had brought even greater gifts, and these must not be ignored.

What he believed to be most sacred were the Sacraments and especially the "Holy Food" of the Eucharist. To pray the Mass was to join in the great prayer of Christ himself. To him this was what was important now.

A gifted preacher
He had a rare gift for making clear the teachings of the Catholic faith, using examples the people understood. Pat Red Elk, who knew him, recalled, "Those old converts could really talk. They'd just give you the works! When Nick got up he really preached. People sat there and just listened to him. They could picture what he was talking about."

Black Elk was not only a powerful preacher but he also knew how to defend his faith. Once when a Protestant minister asked him why he honoured the Blessed Virgin, the following exchange took place. Black Elk asked him: "Are the angels good people?" "Yes." "And the Holy Ghost?" "Yes." "Well, then, if all these honoured her, why shouldn't I?"

An Oglala apostle
Not only did he teach among the Sioux, but he carried the Gospel message to other tribes as well. Black Elk and other catechists travelled to the Arapahoes, Omahas, Shoshones, and others. Through interpreters he taught the name of Christ to Indians who had never heard it. In some places they were turned away, but mostly they were well received and many became believers.

Man of prayer
Prayer filled his whole life and the power of his prayer was much respected. People often called upon him to pray with them. He told them, "Never fail to pray everyday. God will take care of you and reward you for this. Say the rosary too, because that is one of the powerful prayers of Our Lord's mother."

He came to be honoured among his people as a wise and holy man. He never drank nor spoke harshly of others; he was always happy and did his best to follow the good road. He liked to say, "To live close to God is more enjoyable than to live easy -- with all the pleasures and riches -- because such things will never reach to heaven."

His last years
For thirty-one years he laboured to spread the news of the hope, love and mercy that can be found in Christ. Even when old age forced him to retire, he continued visiting, consoling and praying with others. In 1941, his wife passed away, and during his last years, he lived with his children.

In spite of illness and suffering he remained cheerful and uncomplaining. As his life drew to a close, he confided to his daughter Lucy that he was well prepared. He said that a sacred man, a very holy priest from overseas, came every day and prayed with him. No one doubted him.

A sign from heaven
Before his death on Aug. 17, 1950 he told his family, "I have a feeling that when I die, some sign will be seen. Maybe God will show something. He will be merciful to me and have something shown which will tell of his mercy." And indeed, on the night of his wake, the sky was filled with a brilliant display of northern lights, and other signs in that glowing night sky, such as no one had ever before seen.

Nicholas Black Elk never went to school. He had been both warrior and healer. He knew and loved the spiritual traditions of his people. Yet he saw in Christ their fulfilment, and His religion as the new way which the Creator meant for all to follow. He remained solid in his Catholic faith to the end. The legacy of this great and humble man lives on in those who, like him, remain steadfast in faith, hope, and love.

Spirit Daily reports "California diocese to pull this 'New Age' prayer from official website"

So it looks like they are getting a lot of heat from it.

And I should blooming well think so too - I just cannot understand how it ever got put on the website

Of course I still have it. Have drum, will travel - maybe. Actually, it's kind of my stock reply when I meet a crazed liturgist, to ask if we are going to sit around the altar naked and beat drums and chant. That usually shuts them up. Of course, I am sure you know the difference between a liturgist and a terrorist. You can reason with a terrorist.

Charles you are too funny!

Here is another link with info about why(supposedly) it was there, and what they have done.

It also includes info on Gibson and Fatima.
http://www.spiritdaily.com/talkoftown.htm

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Thank you for sharing - well, alterting us.

What motivates some to pray to false gods and spirits? What motivates some to focus on dieties from other faiths?

Without disclosing the place or group (it's not where I currently live)... I formerly attended a young adult Catholic Bible study. We prayed before reading. The priest encouraged new people to lead the prayer each time. Generally, people prayed for the Holy Spirit to open our minds, and for Christ to intercede in various situations.

One day, though, someone came with a Buddhist prayer. I didn't pray, so much as listen - it wasn't my parish; I was a guest, really. Admittedly, the prayer could have been "Christianized" with a few changes.

I couldn't understand it: here was a group of Roman Catholics - people with a wealth and arsenal of tools from their spiritual heritage. A person could have picked a prayer from any part of that rich apostolic spectrum. But no: there was some urge to seek a prayer from outside of the faith.

I'm not sure what others at the meeting thought. I wasn't angry , so much as confused and a bit sad to see a person overlook such a huge spiritual treasure. If she wanted to share a prayer from another spiritual heritage, she could have found a prayer from the Byzantine or Syriac heritage.

I wonder if the same urge to incorporate non-Christian dieties motivated the posting of the now-removed prayer from the SF archdiocese?

Christopher
Armenian Catholic

Yes, I can spell - but I should spell check...especially before pressing "send" and with words such as "deity." Although, perhaps false gods should be "dieties", as they are essentially dead.

From the Archdiocese website explaining where the prayer came from:

"*The original text was part of an apology ceremony for clergy abuse victims in which the Archdiocese was the main participant. The text in question was chosen by abuse victims, many of whom are alienated from the Catholic Church and wanted an ecumenical greeting. The text was linked to the Archdiocesan website as a means to document the ceremony which took place in June 2003. There was no attempt to characterize the text as a Catholic Christian prayer. In fact, the Archdiocesan website has been praised for its Catholic focus and content.

Several people, who were not aware of the above facts, have said the text was on the Archdiocesan main page or have said we are promoting the text as a new age prayer. Both views are wrong.

Recognizing the potential for confusion, however, I said the text would be removed. The offending refererences have been removed -- and the remaining text will be replaced with the Prayer to of St. Francis in due course.

I suggest you examine the entire Archdiocesan website at www.sfarchdiocese.org. [sfarchdiocese.org.]
--M. Healy"

What disturbs me even more than the prayer is that the Archdioces conceded to offer an "ecumenical" prayer that is supposed to be about healing and forgiveness which can only come from Jesus Christ.

Fr. Deacon Lance

I think one of the main problems with the Catholic Church in the U.S. - and other Western nations, too - is that we have become what Bede said of the English. We follow everything novel and hold fast to nothing.