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There appears to be a book with this title in Turkish. It looks like they're licking their chops just waiting to be the agents of his martyrdom:

http://hotair.com/archives/2006/09/15/turkish-bestseller-who-will-kill-the-pope-in-istanbul/

This just keeps getting worse and worse.

Dear Dr. Eric,

There are two bad omens. One is the vision of Saint Don Bosco, where the Pope was shot once, recovered and then shot again. This could refer to the shooting of Pope John Paul II, and then another Pope. There is also the 'secret' at Fatima, where there was a group of soldiers when he was shot.

I know that in the vision by Don Bosco, the Pope is steering his ship while a battle ensues. He is fought by smaller ships with books, arms etc. But everytime the ship is damaged, a slight wind blows and it is quickly repaired. The Pope will be shot once, arise, and then shot a second time.

Some sort of convulsion will occur in the world, and then the ship the Pope is steering will be joined by the smaller ships that watched by the side lines. The Pope will then sail smoothly between the two pillars standing in the sea. One pillar is our Theotokos and the other is the Eucharist.

In the prophecy of Malachy, the only Pope after this one will be Peter. It could mean of course, that the position of the Papacy will be different.

Or Yipes! The end of the world. I doubt it though. There is an Irish prophecy that says for a week of centuries the Irish will be under the English, and then they will live in freedom for an equal amount of time. It seems we have along way to go.

Zenovia

Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but this all seems like it could line up perfectly with what the Theotokos told us at Fatima.

In the vision, the Pope, fleeing over the bodies of dead priests and bishops, is murdered by being shot dead.

This corresponds to Pope Pius X's vision as well.

It is not inconceivable for Muslims militants to ambush the Pope at some point either at the Vatican or during his visit to Turkey and to shoot his aides, like Msgr. Ganswein, and then kill the Pope himself.

I wonder if the Holy Father, well-versed in the Fatima apparitions as he is, has thought about this possibility.

Logos Teen

What's with the morbid speculation!!!!

I am offended by the title of this thread and that this discussion is taking place.

A clarification is in order...

According to the late Sister Lucia, the prophecy of the "bishop in white" being shot was fulfilled by the assasination attempt on Pope John Paul II on May 13th, 1981.
I do not see why there should be any further speculation about the third secret.
Lucia spoke, case closed.


Instead of futile speculation, let us pray for the safety of Our Holy Father and the end of this misunderstanding with the Muslims.

Be not afraid!!!

I too am offended by the title of the book. I am offended that the Muslims now want to kill the Holy Father.

Did you read the link?

Dear Griego Catolico,

You are welcome to join your prayers with mine, as well as the prayers of other posters here, for exactly this intention on our Prayer Forum. It was initiated two days ago.

Thank you.

In Christ,
Alice, Moderator

Dear Griego Catholico you said:

I say:

Yes we should pray, but as for the misunderstanding with the Muslims, I think it should be carried into dialogue. Why is it that saying anything about Mohammed puts Christians in that part of the world at risk, yet we will never retaliate in kind? Maybe they should realize why we will not retaliate in kind, and start learning a little bit about us. The good parts that is. :rolleyes:

I sent a comment that was posted on a web site by Dr. Eric, where a Muslim cleric states that Mohammend was the most honorable man that ever lived, to Hannity on Fox News. I would like him to get some responses as to why Mohammed was the most honorable man that ever lived from some Muslim clerics. Hee, hee, hee! I dare him.

I also wrote to Al Jazeera and stated that the speech was really in reference to the Hellenic thoughts that went into Christianity, that had been discarded by the Protestants, and that they know nothing about Christianity. :rolleyes:

Isn't it time we took the defensive, rather than the Muslims...at least in reference to religion?

Zenovia

I am afraid there will be a battle between Christianity and Islam. It won't be the first time, but hopefully will be the last. I wonder if we have what it takes to win it?

Trust in God.

Persevere in the faith until the end and you will obtain the crown of Victory promised to all who love Christ.

Amen. The gates of hell will not prevail against the Church.

Dear Elizabeth Marie,

The Muslims will convert to Christianity. I don't know how or when, but it will occur. We can only pray that it will be soon.


Zenovia

I hope so. But it seems to me that large-scale conversions have historically had a little military force behind them.

Has anyone read Imaculee Ilibagiza's book Left to Tell ? She's a Roman Catholic who survived the Rwandan massacre (1994)by turnng completely to God,forgiving her enemies and seeing them as herself-a human being with no desire to kill.

Maybe it's time to see the Muslims the same way-as human beings that can be understood. Yes, muslims need to understand us, but apparently we do not understand them at all otherwise we'd get their logic. Yes, it doesn't seem logical to us, and yes, the going ballistic and knocking folks off when offended is plucking my last nerve.But my irritation, putting down Islam,waging wars,converting folks by force etc. do not work, and are unchristian. Let's try something new,y'all.

If you get a chance pick up Ilibagiza'a book.It's a blueprint for how to live Christianity in a way that truly transforms and profoundly influences others through example and not guns, rhetoric,debates,etc.

And with all due respect to His Holiness Pope Benedict, I do not believe he meant to offend Muslims, but ,let's be honest,he really could have picked a better passage to make his point.That said, the book title-and hence this thread's title-made me gasp.I dare not repeat it aloud.
Peace,
Indigo

Well...

I see this as the furthering of the logic of Islam to its natural conclusion: slavery and violence.

Like OT Israel, God's providential hand is using the enemies of the Church (which is not "all Muslims", BTW - there are many righteous ones) to purify the Church...AND also to press those righteous Muslims to see where Islam leads.

Perhaps the only way we can convert our Muslim brothers and sisters is through the spilling of our blood in a humble witness to the faith.

Now more than ever we need the courageous love of a Blessed Charles de Focauld.

In the meantime, I expect our government to restrain evil through military means, if necessary. Personal pacifism is a matter of conscience, but it is heresy to say that a government has no obligation to protect its people. (That is not a blanket endorsement of every war initiative, BTW.)

This is a difficult and dark time. Now more than ever we need to follow the words of Padre Pio: PRAY, HOPE and DON'T WORRY!

Gordo

Gordo:

Please exercise great caution in accusing someone of heresy on the question of pacifism-and I'm not a pacifist. However, I would say that a "personal" pacifism that is merely personal is meaningless. For someone to say, "I'm not willing to take arms because it goes against my beliefs, but it's perfectly OK for others to bleed and die on the battlefield," is not what I would consider a respectable position-rather, to me, it's cowardice. Pacifism is certainly not the prevailing position throughout most of the history of the Church, although some scholars argue that it was the prevailing position in the Church prior to Constantine's legitimization of the Church. However, pacifism is a position for which one can make a respectable argument based on both the example and the teachings of Jesus Christ. As I said, I'm not a pacifist (although I see very, very few wars throughout human history I believe to be justifiable on just war grounds), but I do think pacifism is a position that is respectable and I do think we should be careful about accusations of heresy.

I agree with you that we are in a difficult and dark time. I share the disgust of many Christians (and some Muslims who truly are peaceful people) about the hypocrisy of those Muslims who accuse Christians of violence, and then advocate for the killing of Christians. However, I would point out that there are some shameful episodes in the history of Christian-Muslim relations in which certain Christians have acted in ways that are, shall I say, less than Christ-like. I think this sad aspect of our history should serve to bring some sense of balance to this discussion. Our hands (I'm speaking historically-not necessarily about any particular Christians who are alive right now) are not entirely clean when it comes to Christian-Muslim relations.

Sincerely,
Ryan