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#164434 04/04/06 11:24 PM
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If you choose to see everything about the congregation as negative, there is nothing anyone can say.

As for the first millenium, well I dont know about you but I dont live in it. Was it some perfect time in history. If so which part of the 1st Millenium was more perfect than any other. Not year zero by any chance wink .

As for doing the research for you Michael. What did your last slave die of? biggrin

Have a good fast!

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Intervention does not always need to be invited. Does a parent ask their children in a spat, if they have their approval before setting the situation straight?
Is the relationship of the Roman See to the Eastern Catholic Churches like a that of a parent and child?

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A parent-child analogy is a VERY VERY BAD ONE.

I think that person meant that the Pope...as a Peter Primacy...(of love) asking other Patriarchs or Bishops for approval (meaning Synods).

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Andrew the relationship between the Pope and the Bishops of the Eastern Churches in communion with him is an adult one. He is a bishop and so are they. The difference is that for all of the Catholic bishops across the globe is that the Pope is the universal head of the whole body of the espiscopate regardless of how they bless themselves. It is a leadership of love and responsibility to God and the the whole body of the faithful.

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Glory to Jesus Christ!

Hello Pavel,
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Originally posted by Pavel Ivanovich: If you choose to see everything about the congregation as negative, there is nothing anyone can say.
I am sure that they are a great bunch over there. smile
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As for the first millenium, well I dont know about you but I dont live in it. Was it some perfect time in history. If so which part of the 1st Millenium was more perfect than any other. Not year zero by any chance wink .
Good point.

�Rome must not require more from the East with respect to the doctrine of primacy than had been formulated and was lived in the first millennium."
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger


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As for doing the research for you Michael...
No matter, it was your point that needed the substantiation, not mine. wink
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What did your last slave die of? biggrin
Ultramontanism! biggrin
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Have a good fast!

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Likewise brother in Christ!
Please pray for me, as I will also pray for you.

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Michael smile

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It was not meant to be a literal side by side analogy. I was just trying to make the point that when there is conflict, intervention does not always have to be invited, sometimes we need external mediation.
Stephanos I

PS I disagree that the Congregation for Oriental Churches shoul be done away with, I do agree that it needs to be overhauled.
It would be a sad thing for the Universal Chuurch not to have representation in the Eternal City.
The Pope needs a body to advise him about the situations in the Eastern Catholic Churches. It should have no power over these Churches and should be made up entirely of Eastern Christians.

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Greetings Michael *deep bow in your direction* Peace upon you! Pontifical and Apostolic benedictions! biggrin

The congo is like many of the dept's of the Vatican undergoing regular updates to reflect where the Church is at. The Pope needs a body of experts to advise him on Eastern Churches and a whole lot more. So it has a role to play and it's not to lead others but support.

Well I had better get going to the office.

Have a g'day! (or night, if appropriate)

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Dear Orthodox Catholic,

If you are sitting at your home computer, you are OUTSIDE of your Church! biggrin biggrin biggrin

But hopefull not to far from your prayer corner. wink

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Ah my dear InCogNeat3's,

If you have your home office set up like I do, an icon is right next to my computer, thus the home church. Actually I have icons and icon/prayer corners in each room of the house.

Thanks for bringing a smile to my face.

In IC XC,
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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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I did not bother to vote either as Spdundas has made his view on the relationship between the Pope and various heads of the churches very clear.

There is a balance in the Church and the Pope has responsibility for all the faithful.

The Pope does not run individual diocese for their bishops. The Pope expects his brother bishops to do their own job and that includes being part of their own episcopal conferences or synods.

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Yes I agree and did not vote.

This is a very poorly written poll, or it is a very well crafted poll in the that is ensures that it will get the answers that the pollster is looking for.

Either way, the results mean nothing.

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Where there is a flock, there also should be a shepard. And we all know who Our Lord asked to guard the flock and be shepard.

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