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Dear LogosTeen:

Sedevacantists are FARTHER removed from the Catholic Church than the SSPXers, from which several modern sedevacantists sprung several years back.

Anything post V2 are invalid to them, as well as the legitimacy of Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II and their pronouncements.

It is really funny, but even the SSPXers do not want to be associated with the sedevacantists.

AmdG

Dear Amado,

Believe it or not, but when I first heard the term "sedevacantism," I thought it was a form of sexual perversion done in sedans . . .

See how much I know!

Alex

Dear Alex:

No, it is not about "perversion."

I think the sedevantists want to do and follow only the "traditional positions."

AmdG

Dear Amado,

So you are saying they are mainly "missionaries?"

If so, I'll admit they're on top of the situation . . .

Alex

Dear Alex:

Yes and No.

As they say in professional basketball, the ball is round: tonight you can be on TOP, tomorrow one can be UNDER.

AmdG

Dear Amado,

I think that when our sprouts, like Teen Logos and our other "youngins" grow up and are ready to get married, we should be the ones to throw them their bachelor parties!

What do you say?

Alex

Dear Alex:

Agreed, with my wholehearted conformity.

AmdG

I don't know if I agree with the statement, "Sedevacantists are FARTHER removed from the Catholic Church than the SSPXers"

As neither group listens to the Holy Father, at least the Sedevacantists work around this by saying that the Holy Father isn't really the Holy Father.

The SSPXers admit that he is the Holy Father but then refuse to listen to him.

David

Dear Brother David,

This reminds me of an Anglican female colleague who came to me to ask about potential problems with respect to marrying her Roman Catholic fiance.

I told her I didn't see many problems, since neither of those two groups wanted to listen to the Pope . . .

Are you having a good day, at least?

Alex

Dear DavidB:

I think there are pending negotiations with the SSPX for their "eventual return" as did the Society of St. John Vianney of Campos, Brazil last year.

The original clergy of FSSP were SSPX priests.

AmdG

Dear Amado,

Deus Gratiam!

Alexius

I've followed this thread and wondered where the mercy is. If I am not mistaken, didn't Jesus cite Hosea 6:6 when He asked people to go and learn that God desires mercy and not sacrifice?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the Church was a hospital for beaten-up sinners and not a country club for the righteous. That's why I go to the Liturgy--to say to God "hey, Dad, they beat me up out there in the world; I need Your help."

I'm particularly down today because a priest that I have supported, prayed for, and defended turned out to be removed from ministry permanently for abuse. That doesn't mean that I condone what he did. It means that I am particularly sorry for this man. Any one of us can fall. When I first saw this on the TV this morning, I thought immediately that but for the grace of God any one of us could have been in this horrible position. And I bleieve that it is precisely the grace of God that preserves most of us from so many of the things that have scandalized His Church of late.

One of my favorite sayings from the Desert Fathers is one where an abba tells a young man "marvel not when a man falls; rather marvel when one is able to escape the jaws of the Enemy."

May each one here be given the grace and protection of the Good Lord to make such an escape when we are tempted to sin and evil.

BOB

Dear Friends,

Don't the "sedevacantists" have a similar attitude and position to the Orthodox "Old Believers"?

Is there a difference between the SSPX and the monks of Esphigmenou Monastery, as to how they see their respective Patriarchs?

In each case a Patriarch came along and changed the Liturgy and/or practices of the Church. These people decided that the changes were not legitimate and that therefore the Hierarchs and Priests who followed the Patriarch in the changes were no longer legitimate, either.

They came to believe that they were the only ones with the right answers and the right path.

How should we look at these folks?

As "Old Believers"?
As Protestants?
As Sects?
As Cults?

John
Pilgrim and Odd Duck

wait a minute, why do you think we are sedevacantists?

because the pope has commited heresy against (every) council before the second vatican which also contradicts every council.

heres an example with all due sincerety.

I have a catechism before vatican ll and it states this on error..

page 193

"" A catholic (sins) by taking part in non catholic worship because it is not a manner in which god wants to be honored ""

for 20 strait years jp2 has prayed with pagans, knelt to a buddhist statue, prayed in jewish synogagues ect..

had world religious meetings for peace.

jesus said.

"" i did not come to bring peace but division ""

Jp2 kissed the koran bible which blasphemes the trinity, he knelt to the quran in 1999 which calls catholics poly theist.

all i want you to do is look at it from our standpoints for once.

the reason we hold this position is because of te heresy which jp2 has made known to everybody and we are defending unchanging doctrines proclaimed by all councils until vatican ll.

Btw, the epicopalians do not have valid orders, they broke away after the revolt and deny key doctrines which (must) be believe therefore they are withered branches from the true church..

also, yes blessing people is great, but blessing false religions gets to me alot.

peace.

No one blessed false religions, only those who follow those false religions. There is a difference.

We both know that St. Augustine was by no means perfect in all of his theories. The common (Roman) Catholic understanding is that those who willingly break from the Church are formal heretics, whereas those who are born into these heresies are material heretics.

Definitely agreed.

Logos Teen