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Is this [unian.net] news article accurate?

Andrew

Dear Andrew,

Yes.

Mayor Chernovestsky is the new mayor and here is another article related to yours:

http://5tv.com.ua/eng/newsline/198/0/25331/

You can do a google search using "Mayor Chernovetsky ",

Michael

20 years Ukraine will be an Evangelical Protestant country. You heard it here first.

No we didn't, Ray.



Logos Teen

I agree. The people have to be spoken to in a language that they understand. That includes the vernacular in very simple terms that 3rd graders can understand.

Ray is partly right. Maybe not in 20 years, but perhaps sometime in the not so distant future unless a united Church in Ukraine because a reality.

If not, well.... I don't even want to think of it.

The more and more I read into what has happened throughout history in Ukraine, and then what is happening in Ukraine, the more I am convinced that Satan's grip is definately strong and is only tightening.

God save us.

-uc

Dr. Eric,

The UGCC, UOC-KP, and UAOC use the Ukrainian language, the latter beginning to do so at the Sobor of 1921.

The UOC-MP uses (Russified) Church Slavonic.

-uc

Actually, at least based on some of what I�ve seen in the New World, I guess this isn�t all that surprising. I grew up in San Diego where there wasn�t much of a Slavic presence in the city, either old or new immigration. Where my wife grew up in the Pacific NW though, there were lots of new immigrants from the former Soviet Union/CIS and now independent countries. There were some small Eastern Christian Churches, but nothing really substantial reaching the new immigrants that I could see. There were and I assume still are several large Evangelical/Pentecostal/Baptist churches with Russian and Ukrainian memberships however.

We�ve lived in the Philadelphia area for five years, and I don�t really know enough about the area to know if it�s different here. This is obviously an area that still has the marks of the old immigration, but I don�t know who is attracting the new immigrants. We have one friend from Ukraine and she doesn�t attend church and is married to an atheist.

Andrew

San Diego actually has a rather large new Eastern European immigrant population.

Most, from what I have seen, are either Jewish or Atheist.

Others who are Orthodox or Ukrainian Catholic are only seen at Easter.

Dr.Eric the sermon is not in Old Slavonic. That would be in Ukrainian, Ruthenian or Russian if not in English.

I'm just relaying the quote from another reader of the article. According to what Ukrainian Catholic wrote, the quote was from a person who goes to a Church under the Moscow Patriarchate. I would assume that the Homily would be in the vernacular. But still it needs to be in language that everyone understands. Big words confuse simple folks.

I would have to disagree with you when it comes to my church. We all find that priests talk down to us. The sermons are too simplistic.
Ukrainians in Ukraine also are highly educated. The days of simple peasants are gone.
I have a question: can anyone tell me if the sermons are in Ukrainian or Russian in the MP parishes in Ukraine.
I have heard that in Western Ukraine they are in Ukrainian and in Eastern Ukraine in Russian.

Miller - you are correct. If you attend a UOC-MP parish in Ivano-Frankivsk, the sermon will be in Ukrainian. In Dneipropetrovsk or Donbas you will find them in Russian.
FDD

Thanks. I always wanted to have that info verified.
A second question:
I have a CD from Pochaiv and was disappointed to hear the monks chant in Church Slavonic in Russian recension.
What about in Bukovyna and Halychyna? Do they chant in Church Slavonic in Ukrainian recension?
We have priests who are from Bukovyna and thus I know the tradition was always Ukrainian recension until WW2 when they left.

Our elderly priests from Voyn were trained in Church Slavonic in Russian recension in the inter-war periord although there was a strong movement to adopt Ukrainian recension. Ukrainian recension and modern vernacular Ukrainian became predominant during the war.

Actually I remember that a Texas Barbeque place I used to eat at was run by Russian immigrants. Go figure.

Anyway, it doesn�t surprise me that San Diego has attracted a fair number of new immigrants from the former Eastern Bloc. I left in the early 90�s and we only go back occasionally to visit my parents, so it�s been a while. There was no real discernable community that I can remember that one could identify with the Russian or Ukrainian community however like say the Vietnamese area off El Cajon Blvd. There were handful of churches, one OCA, one ROCOR and I think a UGCC all near each other IIRC.

I have a feeling here in the Philadelphia area the new immigrant population is largely as you describe. My wife occasionally goes to a market in the Northeast with our Ukrainian friend and I have a feeling there is a fairly substantial population of new immigrants up there, but I don�t believe there are a large number of thriving Orthodox churches in that community. We visited a Ukrainian store on Girard before Pascha, and while the area may have been Slavic at one time, it certainly isn�t any more.

The one place I have been that seemed to have an identifiable community with a nearby church presence is Chicago. I visited three churches there that seemed to have a very strong link with the new immigrant community.

Andrew